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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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    It’s an anti-Semitic trope to say Jews across the world have no place to call home but Israel. It’s also a provable lie.
     
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    That's not what was said. What was said is that this is the only place in the world that's "theirs".

    Whereas Muslims have all of that as "theirs", and are very present in other countries as well:

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    Ask yourself why Israel's right to exist is being questioned, but the same doesn't apply to any of these countries.
     
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    Do it now for Europe and Russia for the same period.
     
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    Islam is a cancer to humanity, same as evangelical Christianity is.....religion - making man stupid for centuries.

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    Religion is a framework to control men.
     
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    Criticism of Jewish Nakba narrative in Israel
    Iraqi-born Ran Cohen, a former member of the Knesset, said: "I have this to say: I am not a refugee. I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee." Yemeni-born Yisrael Yeshayahu, former Knesset speaker, Labor Party, stated: "We are not refugees. [Some of us] came to this country before the state was born. We had messianic aspirations." And Iraqi-born Shlomo Hillel, also a former speaker of the Knesset, Labor Party, claimed: "I do not regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists."[19]

    Historian Tom Segev stated: "Deciding to emigrate to Israel was often a very personal decision. It was based on the particular circumstances of the individual's life. They were not all poor, or 'dwellers in dark caves and smoking pits'. Nor were they always subject to persecution, repression or discrimination in their native lands. They emigrated for a variety of reasons, depending on the country, the time, the community, and the person."[307]

    Iraqi-born Israeli historian Avi Shlaim, speaking of the wave of Iraqi Jewish migration to Israel, concludes that, even though Iraqi Jews were "victims of the Israeli-Arab conflict", Iraqi Jews aren't refugees, saying "nobody expelled us from Iraq, nobody told us that we were unwanted."[308] He restated that case in a review of Martin Gilbert's book, In Ishmael's House.[309]

    Yehuda Shenhav has criticized the analogy between Jewish emigration from Arab countries and the Palestinian exodus. He also says "The unfounded, immoral analogy between Palestinian refugees and Mizrahi immigrants needlessly embroils members of these two groups in a dispute, degrades the dignity of many Mizrahi Jews, and harms prospects for genuine Jewish-Arab reconciliation." He has stated that "the campaign's proponents hope their efforts will prevent conferral of what is called a 'right of return' on Palestinians, and reduce the size of the compensation Israel is liable to be asked to pay in exchange for Palestinian property appropriated by the state guardian of 'lost' assets."[19]

    Israeli historian Yehoshua Porath has rejected the comparison, arguing that while there is a superficial similarity, the ideological and historical significance of the two population movements are entirely different. Porath points out that the immigration of Jews from Arab countries to Israel, expelled or not, was the "fulfilment of a national dream". He also argues that the achievement of this Zionist goal was only made possible through the endeavors of the Jewish Agency's agents, teachers, and instructors working in various Arab countries since the 1930s. Porath contrasts this with the Palestinian Arabs' flight of 1948 as completely different. He describes the outcome of the Palestinian's flight as an "unwanted national calamity" that was accompanied by "unending personal tragedies". The result was "the collapse of the Palestinian community, the fragmentation of a people, and the loss of a country that had in the past been mostly Arabic-speaking and Islamic. "[310]

    Alon Liel, a former director-general of the Foreign Ministry says that many Jews escaped from Arab countries, but he does not call them "refugees".[311]

    Criticism of Jewish Nakba narrative by Palestinians
    On 21 September 2012, at a United Nationsconference, the issue of Jewish refugees from Arab countries was criticized by Hamasspokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri, who stated that the Jewish refugees from Arab countries were in fact responsible for the Palestinian displacement and that "those Jews are criminals rather than refugees."[312] In regard to the same conference, Palestinian politician Hanan Ashrawi has argued that Jews from Arab lands are not refugees at all and that Israel is using their claims in order to counterbalance to those of Palestinian refugees against it.[313] Ashrawi said that "If Israel is their homeland, then they are not 'refugees'; they are emigrants who returned either voluntarily or due to a political decision."[313]
     
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    I think it is great news that Israel was able to successfully shoot down a ballistic missile in space.
     
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    For all the @AroundTheWorld out there that want to see Bibi enact a final solution against Hamas or even collectively against the people of Gaza, no amount of domestic protests or individuals acting out will make an impact on our laws or policies toward Israel and its current response.
     
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    Stop lying. Don't use the word "final solution". You clearly don't know history to say something so ignorant.
     
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    I am sorry I must have misunderstood. What is your desired goal for Hamas again? Peace talks and mutual understanding with the IDF? I thought it was complete and total annihilation of anyone supporting them.

    If it’s worth destroying Gaza to destroy Hamas, I am not sure if there is a solution left afterwards.
     
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    This minister is not wrong, it is an option. Albeit one that won’t be pursued.

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    thr libs fall for Pallywood every time

     
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    Do not use the words "final solution", it exposes how ignorant and biased you are, despite all the walls of text you have been posting.

    You are relativizing the holocaust.

    Shame on you.

    Educate yourself.
     

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