No problem. Do you also recall my post where I looked at the parallels between David Carr and Dan Pastorini? Their situations were virtually identical: young QBs thrown to the wolves right off the bat and subjected to a horrible beat down on the field and off. Pastorini actually had it much much worse because he played in the era before they started enacting rules to protect the QB. I saw Pastorini take hits that would have killed Carr. Yet Pastorini not only survived but flourished while Carr went fetal. I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that while Carr was physically tough, he wasn't as mentally tough as Pastorini and when the s**t storms came his way, he just couldn't handle it. You'll recall that when he first started, he wasn't constantly looking over his shoulder for oncoming hits defense like he does now. He sees pass rushers everywhere now. They are completely in his head and they will never leave. He's far below average now, I'll grant you that. But he didn't start off that way - he was the protoype for an NFL QB. His development was completely mishandled here and as a result, I believe that we will never know what type of QB he could have been. I choose to fixate my finger of blame at the dumbasses who were in charge on this disaster because I hold them SOLELY responsible.
This was a thread about David Carr. You chimed in b****ing about Schaub. It's what I thought your point was. That said, sorry I misread you. If you indeed weren't saying that, then your posts seem a lot more reasonable. See, I'm down with all of this. He's got a lot of places he needs to improve. I seriously thought you were saying DC was better. My bad.
You are right here but that still doesn't make it right. I don't blame Carr for that one - I blame Kubiak. Everyone could see that Carr was done except for Coach K who fancied himself a QB coaching genius who had resurrected Jake Plummer and no doubt believed that he could do the same for Sir David. To me, that smacks of hubris and the Texans have paid dearly for that hubris. I get ripped for not jumping on the Mario Williams Love Train but at that time, looking at what was left of David Carr and looking at an upcoming draft with 2 possibly 3 excellent QB prospects, I sincerely felt that what the Texans needed to do most with that no. 1 pick was to take a QB (I liked Leinart), let him sit behind Sage for a year or 2 and then go for it. To me, their greatest position of need then was the QB position and not at DE. And look at what happened: They passed on the QBs, ended up cutting Carr because nobody with a brain stem would take him in a trade and finding themselves forced to still go out and find a QB. Whether Schaub is the answer still remains to be seen but he is most definitely an upgrade over Carr because at least his head is on straight.
I do remember that. I was hoping he'd turn it around like Pastorini. Well, his delivery was never prototypical, but everything else did indeed seem to be: athletic, strong arm, good legs, good head (or so we thought). He could well have been a big 'ol bust wherever he went, but you're right: we'll never know. Sad. And yes, Casserly/Capers (the C&C Idiot Factory, as I recall) are squarely to blame for the whole circus.
1. I'm not sure if it's a question of right or wrong. These guys are heavily compensated....it comes with the territory. 2. I'm surprised you're surprised that Carr gets ripped when you acknowledge that he doesn't seem to care very much about the game. That's going to piss of fans who are paying big dollars. If they even PERCEIVE that's the case, it's going to piss them off.
Hmm, you know, I never looked at it that way. You make an excellent point here about why folks got pissed off at his attitude. I never considered this reaction because I thought it was some sort of coping mechanism on his part. Yes, I can see how this would tick off the paying public because that's exactly how I feel about Mr. "It's On Me" on the Rockets.
on cnnsi... • On the theory that everyone deserves a second and a third chance, the Giants are kicking the tires on signing David Carr as their sought-after upgrade at backup quarterback behind Eli Manning. I know Giants quarterbacks coach Chris Palmer was Carr's offensive coordinator in Houston from 2002 to '05, but I'm not sure there's a bigger reclamation job in the NFL right now than Carr, the No. 1 overall pick in 2002. Carr made four starts and appeared in six games in Carolina last year, where he started the season as Jake Delhomme's backup. But in the end, he couldn't hold off either 44-year-old Vinny Testaverde or rookie Matt Moore, an undrafted collegiate free agent. Panthers coach John Fox acknowledged that he wouldn't play Carr at home late in the season due to the ferocious booing that the former Fresno State quarterback was subjected to. Having seen Todd Collins, Cleo Lemon and Trent Green all sign elsewhere after the Giants expressed interest in them, New York is already down to shopping in Carr's market. Kind of a surprising turn of events for the defending Super Bowl champs.
better hope eli stays healthy if carr thinks houston and carolina crowds are tough, he'll just love new york.
^^^ If you were Carr, would playing under Palmer again be a good idea? I know at this point he's probably limited in job opportunities. But Palmer is as much to blame for his bad habits as Carr and the rest of the staff at the time is. If I were him, I'm not sure I'd put myself in that situation.
Damn .......... thats pretty messed up . Oh well , thats what he gets for wearing those Mickey Mouse gloves , lol .
I think it says a lot about the Texans: How come it took us five years to realize David Carr sucks, and it only took Carolina one?
Offensive Line and WRs were really bad first 2-3 seasons making it difficult to tell how good Carr was.
If I were David Carr, I would go ‘Eric Crouch’ and just QUIT. He has enough money in the bank to live the rest of is life very comfortably without working another day. Why go through another season of getting sacked, boo’ed, and basically getting laughed at by the entire NFL community? Life is too short. I’m serious.
Because they had they got to see how terrible he was the first five years, it was a gamble for them, It was a franchise move for us.
