All of those numbers are better than Carr the previous year. Beyond that, the numbers you conveniently ignored (yards & yards per attempt) were also substantially better. So the QB who was in his first year starting substantially outperformed the 5-year starter. What, exactly, was your point again?
I'm not saying Matt Schaub is perfect, but find some relevant stats. Yardage per game, YPA, YPC, completion percentage, QB rating, bad throw percentage, etc. Used by itself, TD/INT ratio is the most worthless statistic in all of sports. It shows absolutely nothing. It almost makes W/L record for pitchers in baseball look useful. If you want to criticize Schaub, be my guest -- he has his faults. But try and use evidence that actually has merit.
Not to mention those numbers you cited are actually a representative sample of all of Schaub's play, as opposed to random, isolated fluke occurences that go into TD/INT ratio.
So Schaub choking consistently in the red zone is a fluke occurrence? TD throws are so completely meaningless!!! Getting intercepted by throwing into double coverage is also so completely meaningless!!!
If you actually analyze them throw by throw, it might mean something. But there are several problems when throwing out the number in general: 1.) What about interceptions that happen after hitting a receiver in the hands? Are those the quarterback's fault? When you cite TD/INT ratio without context, you're saying it is. 2.) What about touchdown passes that occur inside the one or two-yard line? If a team has run well the entire drive and is in an obvious run situation, goes playaction, and the QB completes a one yard pass to a completely uncovered tight end -- a throw 90 percent of fans could make -- does he deserve the same credit as a QB who makes a brilliant read and throw on a 50-yard touchdown bomb? When you cite TD/INT ratio without context, you're inherently saying he does. 3.) Likewise, what about touchdown passes where the QB dumps a short screen to a wideout or running back, and the receiver makes about a million defenders miss and takes it 80 yards for a touchdown? Is that the same as a strike 60 yards downfield that hits the receiver in stride and leads to a touchdown? When you cite TD/INT ratio without context, you're inherently saying it is. 4.) What if a quarterback makes the perfect read, hits a receiver in stride, and he loses his footing and/or is caught from behind at the one yard line? Are you saying the fullback with the Jerome Bettis one-yard dive is worth more to that touchdown than the QB with the big throw? When you cite TD/INT ratio without context, you're saying he is. 5.) What if a quarterback makes the perfect read, hits a receiver in the hands in the end zone, and it's dropped? Is he worse than a quarterback who makes a terrible throw but has it go off the defender's hands and bounce straight to a receiver for a TD? When you cite TD/INT ratio without context, you're saying yes. And those are just a few specific examples. I haven't even begun to scratch the surface on the impact that the impact on strategy, game planning and coaching have to do with who specifically gets statistical credit for a score. These things are all flukes, but it's football and they happen on a regular basis. And when one or two happen in a season, it can really throw off the numbers because the sample is so small. Look, TD/INT ratio isn't totally meaningless. But in order to give it some meaning, you have to look at the context and utilize it with other statistics. Was Schaub's 9/9 ratio truly indicative, or were there flukes involved with the incredibly small sample size of 18 throws? When you look at his full body of work -- including bad throw percentage, YPA, YPC and QB rating -- you'll see that that ratio was not indicative of the quality of quarterback he was this past season. It's extremely misleading to judge anyone in football on one specific statistic, but especially so when it's TD/INT ratio.
No Worries, you can either listen to The Cat...or watch the games and see the difference without statistical analysis.
Or keep arguing blindly in the face of a ton of contrary logic and facts, like most of us on the Internet do at one point or another. There are obviously flaws in Schaub's game. He's not a top-five QB in the AFC. But that wasn't the point--the point was he's better than Carr. Worlds better. And, he is.
I don't feel bad for David. He has a beautiful wife and kids. He's a millionaire who can take his fortune and start a new career doing whatever. He probably not even 30 yet. Don't feel bad for that guy.
And my point is that Schaub is not "worlds better". He is injury prone. He has trouble running the offense in the red zone. His arm accuracy is in serious question. If Schaub does not have a better season next "year", he will wish he had not picked the number 8 for his jersey, if you know what I mean.
We disagree. Cut out the illegal hit, and I wonder if we still have that impression. Why do you keep glossing over this? OH, because it deflates your weak-assed argument. That's right. Carr couldn't run the offense in any zone. You're conveniently forgetting this, as well. That's why his passing numbers, as a first year starter, were better than Carr's, right? But you're not looking at numbers or watching him play to arrive at this conclusion, are you? You're just looking at one play and wanting to blame Schaub for AJ's injury. He's head-and-shoulders better. There is not even a comparison. And that's not to say how good Schaub is so much as how incredibly bad David Carr is. If Schaub does not have a better season this fall, then we will have more ground to stand on when b****ing and moaning. He's waaaayyyy better than Carr. Now, is he worth $24 million and two second round draft picks? There you have a discussion. Is he the best the Texans can do at QB right now? That you can discuss. But to say they would be better off with David Carr is beyond stupid. If you're going to b**** and moan, at least employ some common sense when doing so.
Oh yeah! Just you watch. Somebody will be giving him a call, you can count on it. I've seen stuff like this happen many times throughout the years.
Hmm, let me guess: could it be that the Texans had a guy at QB who hadn't been sacked 249 times and who hadn't been coached to throw the football over ladders? Naw, that couldn't be it at all...
Who is glossing over the injuries? Schaub got the illegal hit in game 8 versus the Chargers. He missed the rest of the Charger game and the following game with a concussion. Schaub suffered a separated left shoulder in the Tennessee game (week 13) and missed the majority of that game AND the following FOUR games, where Sage led the team to a 3-1 record and talks of playoffs among the fans. Who is fooling who here?
You are. The injuries, and the other heaps upon heaps of common sense facts and statistics that have been presented to you. One injury, even one that cost you four or five games, does not make someone "injury prone". He was injured twice--one of them on a dirty, illegal hit that got a guy suspended. Glossing, you are. Yeah, I've seen elsewhere where you think Sage is starting material. If you want to argue Sage over Schaub, go for it. But in this discussion, you argued that Carr is better than Schaub. And that's just stupid. You are fooling yourself; thanks for asking.
I remember posting once that to listen to him talk, he sounded more like a surfer than an NFL quarterback. He did not give me the impression that he cared enough about football to really want to excel. I don't know if it was the horrible beating he took when he first came to the NFL or what but he simply wasn't strong enough to deal with the losing and the adversity. What I can't fathom is why so many folks have fixated their anger and scorn for the sorriness of the Texans solely on David Carr. He didn't screw up any drafts nor did he hire any incompetent coaches nor did he screw up in getting players for the team and yet to read some of the posts here, one would swear that it was Carr who is to blame.
I think I criticized that post. I was wrong. Agreed. Casserly/Capers are much, much, much more to blame for where this franchise went its first five years. That doesn't change Carr's status as a far-below-average QB, but the impression that Carr is to blame is wrong.
He was the face of all of that. Unfair or not. When a team kicks ass, the QB gets an inordinate amount of the praise. When a team falls apart, people start blaming the QB first. Comes with the territory...and the paycheck. I don't care how DC got to be so bad. I only cared that the team extended his deal. And I'm glad he was somebody else's problem last year. But the surfer thing earns him a great deal of criticism.
Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I will say that the Texans are better off with Schaub over Carr. Schaub is the better QB, when healthy. But that is not saying much, since Carr was easily the worst starting QB in the NFL his last two seasons with the Texans. Schaub, from what I have seen, really needs to improve his game, if he is going to lead the Texans to a better than 500 record. This is the point I am trying to make. When you think about the Texans going 8-8, you should visualize Sage Rosenfels leading the Texans to a 3-1 record in the playoff stretch. Given this, Schaub got outplayed by his backup last year. A big plus is that Schaub does know how to run this offense, since it is the only offense he has seen since High School. Schaub does need to execute better in the red zone. His arm accuracy is a big problem. You need to pay better attention if you do not realize this. He has a tendency to overthrow his short passes and underthrow his long passes. Schaub's overthrowing the short passes makes the receiver go up for the pass in traffic and not be able to land and protect the ball and his body before the hit. AJ's injury was because of this. I can also think of two fumbles after catches because of this.
