LOL exactly. Rodman was a player very few teams wanted and no teams could figure out how to win with. Jordan made Rodman a winner, not the other way around. Another couple things. You never saw Jordan give up, accept defeat or blame his teammates, nor did you see Jordan look to stack his team in order to win. He didn't need to, he was the most cutthroat vicious competitor you ever saw. Jordan was all basketball, Lebron is all brand. Lebron destroyed the league that Jordan created.
I'm not talking about streetball. I think Lebron could guard Jordan but I don't think Jordan could guard Lebron in team basketball.
???????? Man Stop. A 35 year old past his prime Lebron is dominating. Draymond Green is the toughest guy in this NBA. This NBA fears him as a center.
LeBron's jumping to superteams with arguably two of the best 10 players in the NBA automatically eliminates him. Its the NBA now days, but just can't sit well. Also lost in the finals with that superteam to Dirk's Mavs. The Cavs championship was amazing and one of the greatest series ever but doesn't push him over the threshold. Jordan simply got to a dominant position and refused to lose. 6 championships in 8 years is just astounding all with the same team without another true superstar (we saw what Pippen was made of in Houston and Portland). Fact is that even with the jumping from team to team, LeBron has 4 chips versus 5 for Duncan who had the finals 2-1 advantage over LeBron. Amazing generational player and probably top 5 for sure and top 2-3, but the sheer inability to lose in the Finals and all with the same team and a lack of stars around him makes Jordan the tops.
I make the Tim Duncan point all the time. But the genius of Lebron is that he does short deals with his teams, with player options and no trade clauses. So if the team start to go South he can move on. After he left Cleveland the 1st time, It’s how he’s done business and has done well. The guy is a genetic freak, basketball genius and an astute businessman who learned how to control his career in a different way. Lebron doesn’t do non competitive teams. If he gets a whiff of that , he’s out. I dunno about Greatest but is at the top of the heap with the best, especially at managing his career.
LOL what are ya'll even talking about. Rodman won two Championships with the Pistons. He beat Jordan both times doing it. Then he went to the Spurs who were the number 1 seed in the west and lost to Hakeem. Everywhere Rodman went he won. What is this Jordan made him a winner nonsense?
Spoken like someone who read about it rather than watched it. Rodman was a discard no one wanted, a player that literally quit on his team, the Spurs, during the playoffs. Rodman was not the reason the Spurs were a top seed nor was he the reason the Pistons won early in his career and "he" did not beat "Jordan" during the Piston's championships. You do understand it's a team game, right? Rodman won with the Bulls ONLY because Jordan made it work. Rodman's rings are testament to Jordan's greatness, not the other way around, and there's not anyone alive who watched the NBA during that period that fails to understand that. Also, Jordan played during the peak of NBA ascendency, where fans joined to follow the greatness of the BULLS and there was never any talk about where Jordan would play next. At the end of their run, Jordan had transformed the game, and generations of kids afterwards, in the way the game would be played. In contrast, Lebron has played during a period of NBA decline, a decline Lebron has contributed to with his selfishness. With Lebron, he gets billing before his team, he drives the roster, coaching and gameplay, he profits from his teammates' contracts, he picks winners and losers. After it's all over with Lebron, the NBA will have to deal with the damage he did to the league, not the great heights he might have carried the league to, as Jordan did. Furthermore, Jordan played in an era of the NBA's best basketball. The west was stacked with great teams and all-time great talent. Plus, the league was far more diverse than today, with many more ways to win that we see now, and Jordan didn't need to resort to recruiting superstar friends to help him win. Sure, the Bulls had talent, but they obtained it the old fashioned way. Did Lebron EVER win due to drafting and player development? Come on. As players, they really aren't much alike, but for impact to the league there is no comparison. Jordan made everyone want to see more, Lebron turns fans off the game.
You didn't watch 90s basketball if you don't think rodman was a big reason the bulls won. One of the main reasons magic won was no horace grant. The bulls needed someone to rebound and play defense which rodman did. He was super super important in the 96 finals. MJ wasn't that great against the sonics. Rodman was the guy who ****ed things up..
You are just spewing nonsense at this point. Rodman is not the only player that’s ever wanted out of a situation. Heck Kawhi did the same thing to the Spurs not to long ago. But that doesn’t discredit his impact on the court. I never said it was a one on one game. All I said was Rodman and the Pistons beat Jordan’s Bulls to win his first two titles. He was the defensive player of the year and you act like he was a young rookie that didn’t contribute. Heck I think he might have also led the league in fg%. He won everywhere he went regardless of if Jordan was their or not. I always said the only thing that held him back was his off court issues. He could have been even better or higher on the all time list. Plenty of lists have him currently around the 60th best player of all time. He won 7 straight rebounding titles without Jordan. Don’t tell me Jordan is the reason he won. He was definately a key contributor to the Spurs locking up 1 seed. Focusing on defense and rebounding to allow Robinson to score and win his only MVP and scoring title. Your bias for Jordan is insane. He’s great and definitely more inspirational. He popularized the sports. He built a brand but none of that really makes him the GOAT on the court. The West was way harder in Lebron’s ERA just look at the finals matchups. These teams would destroy any team Jordan played in the finals. I honestly think it’d be a sweep. All time great Spurs team. Greatest team of all time Warriors. 3 MVP thunder. I do agree that it sucks that Lebron has to keep moving teams. No one likes Lebron for jumping teams and creating his own destiny but I don't hold that against him. Because certain players are drafted to good organizations and can stay and trust the team will make the best decisions other players are not as fortunate. Cleveland is not an attractive destination, No superstar would go there to play with him. He was soo good early the team didn't have much draft resources and if they did they wasted it trading for fringe players. It was not a well run organization at all. Would it be any different if Wade went to Cleveland instead of him going to Miami? But serious what two stars in their 20's would rather live in Cleveland over Miami. Just look at what the Lakers are able to do in one season to build around Lebron. Good organizations can make it work. Cleveland is not one and they never will be. Lebron winning them a ring will probably the only ring they ever have as a franchise. If Lebron was drafted by one of the big market teams I fully think he would have stayed their for his entire career. He should not be penalized for situations outside his control.
???? Draymond Green didnt even make the playoffs. NBA feared Green so much he averaged 8 pts and 6 rebs on 39% FG. Oh man, everyone is so scared and shaking in their boots. Look bro just look at the Olympics and how records kept getting better and better the last 30 yrs. To say athletes 30 yrs ago were better than today is just not true. And thats not even taking into account globalization which increased the potential players in the NBA. NBA today might as well be called GBA cuz it picks players from a pool of 15B compared to mostly local prospects during the 80s.
You never saw Jordan look to stack his team cuz his GM Krause surrounded him with great players and did the stacking for him. MJ played for 8 years before he won his first ring, how come he didnt turn anybody into winners before Pippen and PJ arrived? Can you tell me what Jordan did to Rodman that made him a winner? Did he hold pep talks with Rodman? Did he have after game workouts with Rodman? You act like MJ was a coach on the Bulls actively helping mold players when baed on the Last Dance and anecdotal stories MJ terrorized his team and was extremely distant to them. If Rodman winning a ring is credit to MJ then what can you say about Dwight? Dwight is also somebody nobody wanted till he played with Lebron. MJ was such a cuthroat and vicious competitor he retired from bball 3 times, thats how competitive he is he left bball just like that. He left bball to play baseball, but then he sucked at it. What did MJ do? He ran away from baseball and went back to his strong sport which is basketball. Cuz you know he is a vicious competitor so instead of taking a new challenge and becoming the GOAT in baseball he ran away from that too. MJ never accepted defeat except when he accepted defeat by quitting baseball to play bball again, is that what you are trying to say? You even act like MJ is a commisioner now, what did MJ create exactly? He popularized the NBA but so did Lebron. MJ even has his own movie and Nike label but according to you MJ doesnt care about his brand. Right. Thats why his sublabel in Nike is called JUMPMAN and features him dunking. Cuz you know, MJ dont care about no brand. Btw MJ's kids refused to wear non-Nike shoes in their college even if it would cost the college their shoe sponsorship cuz they dont care about their dad's brand as well. https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndic...costing-ucf-adidas-deal-with-complex.amp.html You are literally turning black into white. Everything MJ does is amazing and everything Lebron does sucks. Just stop. If you think MJ is the GOAT then ok but dont lie and make **** up that is contrary to what really happened. Btw the most vicious competitor you saw is Kobe, not MJ. Kobe didnt quit BBall 3 times, he played till he lost his talent and became a role player. Even then he would probably even stay longer if the Lakers were a contender then. Now, that's a vicious competitor ok? If Lebron retired right now and came back a year later people are gonna disqualify him from GOAT status. But since MJ is the one that did that, then its ok. Gimme a break man.
But no one said that. Rodman was a big reason the Bulls won, but there's big difference between that and "easily top 20 player of his generation". Furthermore, Rodman was a big contributor to the Bulls because of Jordan, he was a failure with the Spurs and Lakers before that.
None of that garbage you posted is worthy of comment. It is all grossly distorted and outright dishonest. LOL I hated Jordan. It's your bias that is insane. It cannot be denied how great Jordan was...except by you. And why not? Do you hold it against Lebron that he clearly quit on the court? In the finals? Apparently not? Did anyone ever see Jordan do that? Here you go again not talking basketball and making excuses. You've fully bought into the brand. It's not interesting to talk about what the best bad choice among a bunch of corrupt, player-initiated plays there are, esp. when Lebron literally invented it. The Lakers are not a well run organization, and the fact that they can turn around their team so quickly in spite of that is evidence of the problem. Sad that you can't see that.
That's some serious hindsight analysis. No one would have made that argument at the time and no one denies that the Bulls had talent other than MJ, they were not contenders without him, though, and they weren't stacked with all-star talent which is what is asserted. It takes time to develop a championship team. You're criticism is that MJ didn't win fast enough? He, along with the rest of the team which he led, developed a successful strategy for dealing with Rodman's bizarre emotional makeup, something Rodman's previous teams failed to do. This has been talked about in the media before. Never saw Last Dance, didn't need to and didn't want to. I personally disliked Jordan but I'm not blind. Now you're just arguing in bad faith. No one is interested in your absurd straw man arguments.
I wouldn't say Hakeem is a good choice of judgement. I mean the guy was fantastic, but lets be honest. If he really felt Jordan was GOAT, he is basically admitting that he would have lost to Jordan.
Jordan didn't start winning until the league expanded and teams got diluted with talent. Plus players today are just flat out better than players back in the day. Athleticism, three point shooting, guard play in this new NBA can't be matched. No more Luc Longleys and Bill Wenningtons to go up against.
