"Starting with that Knick game when he was more involved in the offense, things seemed to go a lot better. Maybe Hakeem had the right idea, and the people who want him to not be involved in the offense have it wrong." BINGO! ------------------ Protrolls.com! Keep the ???? alive! The ZRBucks!
I'm sorry but this is bull**** , just think about it hakeem is playing 17 years i'm sure that he got much much more than 50 million , that amount of money is enough for everybody to live like a king for the rest of his life !!!! you just cant realize how much money he earned in 17 years ,and now he is asking 20 million for 2 years . There is nobody at this age worh that amount of money specially not hakeem who gets injured and wont play more than 55 games for something like 25 minutes !! Believe me he is loaded with money and he should think about houston and not about his money because he already got enough ! . ------------------ [This message has been edited by Francis_Rules (edited July 25, 2001).]
He could always sell his soul on eBay. Oh wait.. Fegan already owns it. I agree 100% with Francis_Rules. If it were up to me, I would put this post on the front page. Hakeem is simply being damn greedy. ------------------ All hail Fadeaway's Cyberfish -- your 2000-2001 BobFinn* Fantasy Basketball League Champions!
Was Mo Taylor, Mr. Loyalty and 3 rebounds a game himself, not being greedy last year when he had the gall to ask teams for the MAX? Good posts SleepyFloyd, but guys like me, you, ZRB, and TheFreak, are definitely in the vast minority of opinions here. "Starting with that Knick game when he was more involved in the offense, things seemed to go a lot better. Maybe Hakeem had the right idea, and the people who want him to not be involved in the offense have it wrong." -Exactly. And everyone who watched all the Rockets games last year knows Hakeem FINALLY GETTING MINUTES was the difference. Yet, no one EVER complains about Rudy T's decision to play friggin Matt Bullard over Hakeem in the first half of the season in the 4th quarters. Did Hakeem complain about his lack of involvement on the offense? Yes, he most certainly did However, he certainly BACKED UP THOSE COMMENTS WITH HIS PLAY AFTER THE KNICKS GAME. Yet, people still say he complained about touches. ITS A GOOD THING HE COMPLAINED PEOPLE or else we'd have won 35 games last year and not been nearly as excited about next year's prospects. ------------------ Get Cato out of there...
Actually, he only asked the Clippers for the max. And it was his agent, super agent Falk, who was doing the talking, not Mo. He was also ready to sign in Toronto when his agent waved him off. The more I think about it, with all the no comments, I think this is very much about Fegan trying to be in control. I think Fegan is trying to get CD/Rudy to spend all the dough on Shandon and Hakeem, and let Mo go. That's the only possible explanation for the "low-ball" IMO. I can't see them paying Shandon more than Mobley, to become his backup as soon as Griffin is ready to fully take over, which could be as soon as this year. ------------------ "I always thought Hakeem was the better offensive player and DRob the better defender." Spurever Shaq would probably agree.
In the immortal word of Hakeem Olajuwon : "Theesiz beezniz." I'm sure you understand. ------------------ "I'll tell you this, the older I get, the less I trust people. It's true. It's damn true." -- gr8-1 going through some growing pains.
I agree, NIKE. Fegan's probably the one who's r****ding the process. (that's right 'r****ding'). I hope it backfires on him and we don't have much to offer Shandon. I think it would be funny if the Rockets renounced Dream, signed Mo and Mooch, and then told Fegan that Dream and Shandon can split the rest anyway they see fit. ------------------
I personally would retire and be remembered and adored as a Houston icon and legend. Money can't buy you that. Mo Taylor was demanding more than he was worth, but did he hold up other negotiations? I think that is the biggest issue here. Hakeem is holding up all other FA signings for the Rockets. If any other player was doing this, I know I would still be pissed. BTW Mo Taylor is young and can still improve so paying him $5-6 million per year could be money well spent. Look at the money Eddie Robinson got. Hakeem's numbers and game appearances will most likely continue to fall. ------------------
Bull****. That's nonsense. Hakeem wasn't on the floor because he didn't want to be involved in the offense, and wasn't doing anything on defense. He was on the bench because the team was better with him on the bench. That's right, his play in the first half was so bad that the team was better with Bullard and Kenny Thomas anchoring the post than with Olajuwon. ------------------ The time for logic and reason has come and gone. It's homer time now. Believe.
Pay him what he's worth... not what he thinks he's worth. ------------------ This space left intentionally blank... [This message has been edited by mr_oily (edited July 25, 2001).]
And the viable alternative at center would be? (listens to the silence) Hakeem is worth more than 4.1 mil. That's for sure. Hakeem is better at defense and stopping incesant drives up the middle than any free agent center, and most centers period. Is he worth 10 mil a year? No. But he's worth more than 4.1 mil ------------------
sleepyfloyd said: "If you want a good relationship with players it has to go both ways. The idea of giving Hakeem slightly less than what other teams offer, because it's the market value, is a good reason why Hakeem may feel unappreciated. It seems like you are willing to treat Hakeem like it's all about only business, but then expect him to show the organization some kind of special consideration out of loyalty." Dr of Dunk said: "In the immortal word of Hakeem Olajuwon : 'Theesiz beezniz.'" mr_oily said: Pay him what he's worth... not what he thinks he's worth. I agree in part, sleepy. The attitude expressed in my earlier post could certainly make Hakeem feel underappreciated. And it obviously isn't an attitude that will foster a lot of loyalty. My response has several parts. First, I didn't say I would pay for sentimentality--simply that I wouldn't pay a lot. I also indicated I would have been much more willing a couple of weeks ago to give Hakeem a lot more money...probably more than other posters are now asking us to give him, and certainly more than any other team would be willing to pay. Second, the main reason I am so willing to deal with Dream as if it is a business is because that is the way he is treating it. This isn't a family discussion...otherwise, why the need for Feagan? Hey, I think Hakeem is the greatest player the Rockets have ever suited up. I want to see him retire as a Rocket. But I'm a Rockets fan first. I would rather see Hakeem skip on down the road to some other team than sit by and watch him hurt the Rockets. To be honest, I don't think we are to that point yet. I agree with some of the others who feel like deals have already been nailed down with some of our other players, which is why they don't seem all that concerned. But I don't think that is the whole story. What are people like ZRB and the others going to say if this thing drags out to the point that Taylor and Moochie go somehwere else, Jackson and the other available free agents sign on the dotted line and Hakeem then decides not only to go somewhere else, but actually does it without offering us an opportunity to do a sign and trade and get something back in return? I know...that's the worst possible scenario and it probably won't happen (God, say it won't), but you have to at least think about it. Finally, I must admit to being a bit confused as to why this is taking so long. I have to wonder if perhaps the delay is because it has already been decided that Hakeem is going somewhere else and we are stuck in negotiations with another team. Just a thought. ------------------ "What did you mean when you opened your mouth and let all our secrets out?"
rox- Thanks for clarifying. I agree with you that I don't like the agent being involved, and I don't know why it's taking so long either. I think both sides are being somewhat unreasonable. ------------------
sleepy: There is enough blame involved in this situation for everybody to have their own share of the pie. I hope that it is resolved soon. Like I said earlier, I think that a lot of the perimeter issues (like agreements with our other free agents) have already been resolved. In fact, I think that a lot of the issues with Hakeem have been determined, at least in the minds of the parties involved. What I can't figure out right now is whether we are waiting because Hakeem's demands have had an adverse impact on another acquisition we were intending to make, or whether we are trying to deal him. I guess time will tell. ------------------ "What did you mean when you opened your mouth and let all our secrets out?" [This message has been edited by rox dreamz (edited July 26, 2001).]
