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Hair Metal Legends WARRANT playing on 6th Street Tonight!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by TheFreak, Feb 7, 2001.

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  1. Francis3422

    Francis3422 Member

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    Who is warrant?

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    #41 Francis3422, Feb 11, 2001
  2. TheFreak

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    Jeff--quick question on VH and production. Doesn't that all point to the producer? I mean how much did the band have to do with that. For instance, nowadays, anything done by certain producers is just going to sound great no matter who the artist is. For hard rock music, Bob Rock just seems to have the golden touch for example. Some producers even seem to have an effect on the song itself. When I listen to albums from the 70s, it seems like most everything done by Bob Ezrin usually is going to be quality stuff. So how much of the credit should go to Van Halen and how much should go to the producer?

    As for Cheap Trick--I'm a pretty big fan of theirs, and I have to say that almost everything they did after Next Position Please in '83 has been pretty spotty. Much of their 80s stuff seemed to carry with it that bombastic style that people associate with that decade, and the songwriting really took a tumble (except for their self-titled '97 album, which is amazing). On the other hand, Znuff has just been doing what they love for about the past 10 years, and nobody has paid attention. All of their indie albums have just been great, IMO.

    puter/2k--Hey man, I'll talk about rock music anytime! I actually don't play any instruments, just like to listen and talk about it for some reason. Every once in a while I'll get exposed by someone knowledgeable on the subject like Jeff, but hey, it's all in fun for me. I seem to enjoy the fact that not many people seem to like the music I do, and it's rare that I find someone that actually does.
     
    #42 TheFreak, Feb 11, 2001
  3. Jeff

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    Ted Templeman did all the production for VH, but he really didn't do anything but capture the way they sounded live.

    Eddie used to play his solos with his back to the audience when they played on the Sunset Strip because they were afraid someone would try to rip off his playing style.

    VH did four things that innovated rock music:

    1. Loud/Lead guitars - NOBODY did what Eddie did with guitar until he did it. He was so influential that he literally changed the way guitars were manufactured. Prior to him everyone played Gibson Les Paul's or Fender Stratocasters. After him, everyone wanted a Kramer with one pickup in the bridge and a Floyd Rose Tremelo (whammy bar).

    "Eruption" with the whammy bar dive bombs, finger tapping and harmonic histronics changed the entire world of guitar playing in the same way that Jimi Hendrix did when he played the national anthem at the Monterey Pop Festival.

    Everything from his sound (that butchered strat played through a Tube Screamer and MXR Phase 90 and a pair of Marshall 100 watt heads with 4 cabinets) to the way he played was new to the world of music. The ironic part is that some of his best solos were not the fast crazy stuff but the really soulful simple solos. Even some of the later VH stuff like Right Now had amazing solos.

    2. Their vocals - Whether it was Dave acting like a 14-year-old horny lounge singer or Michael Anthony's unreal high-pitched background vocals, they did very different stuff with their voices. It was such an odd mix that it worked.

    3. Their presence on record - It was the first time a band really FELT live. Many bands sounded live in a live setting but you couldn't get the effect of the Grateful Dead or Led Zepplin unless you were there in person. With VH, you felt like you were listening to a live band when you put on a record because their energy was so pure.

    4. Their rhythms - This is the most overlooked element of VH, but it was integral to their sound. Not only did they have the energy and reckless abandon of the Who but they had really funky R&B-esque grooves.

    In addition, most guitarists shun soloing over complex rhythms and prefer straight 8th notes. Listen to nearly every heavy metal band and you'll hear great solos but none over anything more than the same basic groove. There might be a key change but nothing more.

    But, listen to a VH solo and you'll hear some crazy ****. Take the solo from Unchained. That is incredibly synchopated and complex for a rhythm all alone. Add the really funky guitar solo and you get something very unique.


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  4. BrianKagy

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    Freak, gotta call you on that one-- I am almost 100 percent sure you're wrong about Tesla playing Austin. Obviously I might have them mixed up with some other 80s band I wouldn't wipe my rear with, but I am pretty sure I'm right about this one.

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    #44 BrianKagy, Feb 12, 2001
  5. TheFreak

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    BK:

    Four years after a bitter breakup, Tesla is back -- and ready to rock

    "But now Tesla is gearing up for a headlining show Wednesday evening at Arco Arena, marking the band's first concert since its breakup in 1996."

    Like I said previously, the lead singer and lead guitarist have a side project called Bar 7. They did play at Babe's in Austin a couple of years ago (at the time they were called Sofa King). I was at that show, and they did have a cool little acoustic jam session, as always. Not sure if that's what you may be referring to.
     
    #45 TheFreak, Feb 13, 2001
  6. BrianKagy

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    It could have been in 1996, couldn't it have...?
     
    #46 BrianKagy, Feb 13, 2001
  7. TheFreak

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    Sure. That's what I said originally:

    Looks like I needed to change that to "5-6" years instead of 6-7.

    Rock on!
     
    #47 TheFreak, Feb 13, 2001
  8. BrianKagy

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    Well, I shouldn'ta said "a couple years back" when I meant 1996. That's some damned fuzzy math.
     
    #48 BrianKagy, Feb 13, 2001
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    Oh my, I can't believe that I just time warped back to junior high and high school. Thank you for that moment. I absolutly think that VH and Eddie especially were the greatest of that time. I've heard 'em all, and seen quite a few, but Eddie just has that bluesy attitude. I would really love to hear him and Slow Hand in a jam session. When Van Halen I came out, I used to crank up Eruption. I even got my mom to say that "this guy is really good"...that coming from Glenn Miller fan...(then again, so am I).

    Your list is my list. A couple that were left of the list and not mentioned yet:

    Twisted Sister
    Dio
    ZZ Top (I hate to call them pop)
    Metal Church
    MotorHead
    Joe Satriani (Try not to get a speeding ticket while listening to Surfin with the Alien)

    You gotta love Blackie Lawless with Blind in Texas.
    Accept...Get your balls to the wall man...(what really was that grinding sound from anyway?)


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    #49 Curly, Feb 14, 2001
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