Ugh - typo! Apparently I just like to type the word "offensive" far more than "inappropriate". My point still stands and you ignored the rest so...uh...rock on? Of course now you bring race into it which adds to the awesomeness of " elite + black = inappropriate". And, seriously, if David Brooks supported a conservative who he called "elite" you think liberals would be all in a tither? Really? I use Brooks as an example because he was outspoken against the Palin continuation of "stupid and regular = cool politician" that happened during the campaign. He also wrote during the transition that, while he disagreed with Obama, he was at least happy that he and his cabinet were turning out to be composed of the elite of the elite. I still don't get the point of this thread and whether it is sincere.
Seriously? Awkward and grandiose? This whole charade would have probably been a bit less embarrassing had you just hid after the initial post. Just a point for future reference.
Point deleted. Ifill has no detachment, no objectivity... and I guess no one has read her book either.
There is a gulf of difference between "offensive" and " inappropriate." Ifill is the one who made the race-oriented observation. My concern was with her coronation of Obama. I didn't find that much else in your earlier post to comment on. Of course, anyone who is elected President of the US is elite (even GWB) but Ifill speaks of a contingent of "young black educated elites" of which Obama is on the leading edge. I would imagine that we would find words to this effect in her book which was written before the election, i.e. before Obama was one of the elite few to be elected President of the US. There's a difference there.
So Obama wasn't elite until he became president? That is a silly argument if that is what you mean. There is no difference there. Also - if Obama is on the "leading edge" of black elites that is a good thing, you know. He should be, by the way, as he instantly becomes a symbol for success that we have never before seen. Only elite white men have become president in our past. Why is that inappropriate to label it as such? every child growing up now or being born over the next four years in the US will have a completely different experience us.
When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Either admit that you overreacted to the quote based upon your "non-worship" of Obama, or admit you continue your agenda of "I voted for him, but..."
That's not what I mean. That's what you said. It was you who suggested that all who are elected president are thus elite. Ifill is talking about Obama being elite, apparently, as part of a group of "young, black educated" individuals who are taking charge. She is referencing a group of individuals only one of whom has been elected president. She sets them above and apart all others. This is what I object to. Am I the only one who wasn't surprised that Obama was elected and was electible? I knew I'd see it in my life time and I'm on the dark side of 50.
You should never stop saying I voted for him but.... about anyone. If you wish to give it a pass, give it a pass. That's up to you. The irony is that my criticism is of Ifill not Obama so why you stuck on my take on Obama? I voted for him and I don't regret it.
why do you object to it. do you object when people talk about black men in the justice system do you object when they talk about black high school drop outs why would you object to it now?
When were Bill Gates, WFB JR, and Justice Roberts President ? If your coment about elite being inappropriate had nothing to do with not being president, why did you mention her book came out before he was elected as if that meant something? You certainly don't seem to understand anything I write but I am beginnning to think you don't understand what you write, either. But yes you generally have to be elite to be elected President...hell, to even consider running for President. Getting elected only makes you more elite. Why does this have to be explained? So now your objection is that she is calling them all elite and saying they are "ready to take charge" when only Obama has been elected? Well, first she said the group is "ready" to take charge so that only implies ability. Next, "taking charge" would be a worthless saying if it only meant becoming President. Pretty sure it extends to all levels. Business, teaching, law, etc. Next, just because she mentions them you now think she is putting them above everyone else? That is hilarious. If it is 5 years ago and I acknowledge that the elite Aregentenian basketball players are now starting to emerge and showing that they are ready to "take charge" (perform well) in the NBA does that mean that I think all the other NBA players are not as good? You are funny. "Talking" to you when you are in character is funny. We should do this more often. I am on vacation so I would prefer that you do more right now. Get typing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Being black has nothing to do with it. It's the smack of elitism coming from a journalist that bothers me. Remember her? She moderated a debate...
now we're back to "eltism". again you looking way to much in the statement, I'm sure she probably feels mccain is elite.
so, jim lehrer and tom brokaw shouldn't call anyone elite? or just mccain/obama? she moderated the vp debate, so thank god she didn't call biden elite.
I've read this thread and I don't understand why you have a problem with her using the term elite. America's brightest, and hardest working, are elite. What's wrong with talking about them being elite? Her calling someone elite has nothing to do with elitism... not her elitism or anyone else's.
I don't want my journalists (esp those who moderate debates) referring to any candidates or set of candidates as elites. It has nothing to do with being or not being president. The inappropriateness was indicated in her thought process about who Obama was in the run-up to the election. Did she ever describe McCain as elite? I don't think so... I understand everything! It doesn't. BO was but just one of a group of elites who are "black, educated yadda yadda" I believe that all she referenced were elected officials. Only Barack was elected President of the US. None were captains of industry as I recall. It's been several days since I watched the YT video and I don't have time to do it now as I have to go marshall my daughters through homework into bed. Your version of taking charge equates to getting PT-- still one Argentinian all-star as far as I can tell. My version of taking charge is more dynamic than that. Rimbaud, the master of understatement. Sorry got other obligations. Why is being open to debate so frightening to everyone. Bunch of cowards!
Well now you are just contradicting yourself and/or lying. You have become a bore. I am dumb. I am stupid. I am worthless. My worst enemies call me elite. I curse them for such wickedness. I spit on them. Unfortunately, they know how to fight so my nose has been broken a few times. Spit. Punch. Spit. Punch. Spit. Duck. Punch. Punch. Punch. Spit? No, I better not.
