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GUYs, try to suggest some solution for the FRONTING problem.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by janpwnz, Feb 24, 2009.

  1. ClutchCityReturns

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    Simple in theory, yet apparently difficult in practice.

    - Swing the ball quickly and hit Yao as he flashes across the lane.

    - Pick 'n roll on the wing, allowing Yao to dive into post position...possibly with a mismatch from the screen.
     
  2. pmac

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    Yao flashes?

    I think these are things that the rockets try with some success but, generally, Yao lacks the athleticism to make defenses pay for fronting him on any consistent basis. He has to find a way to conserve energy to use in short bursts to gain good position for these situations.
     
  3. rain21

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    A good coach and maybe a super SG can solve this sort of thing. YAO is slow &soft . So the only thing he could do is learn how to use his elbow . Just like shaq .
     
  4. Jeff Who

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    Attack the basket !
     
  5. DwangBoy

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    To solve the front problem you have to swing the ball fast.

    Either have scola on the weak side posting up for a quick, and i mean QUICK, swing to yao who would then have a clear path to basket..
    OR

    Start at the weak side... and pass/pass to strong and into yao before the defense can get a front on.

    Yao is a big guy to move, and the ball can move two players faster than a defender can get around yao.

    this will take practice on the rockets part.. but i wish i were an offensive coach.. i definitely think this strat will work.
     
  6. durvasa

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    The good thing is that they should have plenty of chances to practice it the rest of the way.
     
  7. DaDream

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    the best way I know to beat the fronting on Yao would be what I used to do. I know this is probably frowned upon and not taught and would be considered street ball but I dont' see how you couldn't get away with it at least once or twice a game.
    What to do:
    Inlet passer goes near top of key to elbow area for the inlet. ..... throws a lob over the head of both the fronting defender and Yao to where it bounces off the backboard and into Yao's hands where...... he has a clear path to the basket because the defender is now behind him.
    I used to do that all the time in my playing days.
     
  8. durvasa

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    That would work great with Dwight Howard. With Yao, there's a good chance he doesn't recover the ball.
     
  9. Precision340

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    yao needs to watch films of shaq... teams didn't front shaq often because he would get that lob pass and shove it their your throat... with that being said, we need someone who is capable of making that type of pass and yao needs to catch it consistently
     
  10. jeff from vandy

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    it is simple - when fronted they need to quickly reverse the ball and yao needs to pin his man just below the bucket inside the paint. they almost had it a few times, but they had a defender sagging down from the top of the key which made the pass risky. if they work on getting a better paasing angle it will work out where yao will have the ball on the right block where he likes it ready for a jump hook. they were close to getting it perfect, thats why they kept going back to it. no worries, with this team, they will figure it out.
     
  11. jeff from vandy

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    BINGO
     
  12. laneh

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    Although a lob is the most immediate solution...

    When Yao is fronted, we have to move the ball to the weak side in less than < 2 passes, quickly. The Rox are having problems with moving the ball as soon as they see the front.

    Once the ball is on the weak side, Yao just needs to turn around and he will have a deep position in the paint. ;) Probably easier said than done.

    The top of the perimeter is a bad pass, it has to go to the weak side because there will be a defender right at the free throw line, meaning our guards would have to lob it over the defender to Yao in the paint.

    [​IMG]

    Boxes = defenders
    Circles = Rox
    Blue arrow = ball
    Black arrow = Yao / Defender movement
     
  13. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    It is so simple that it annoys me they have not figured it out.


    All you have to do is have someone flash to the high post (elbow area), pass them the ball as Yao pins his man on the outside, he is now wide open in the middle of the lane close to the basket for the entry pass, or if someone comes to help Scola hits Battier on the wing for a wide open 3.

    Basically all they have to do is run a typical high post play that every college in the country uses agains the 2-3 zone...

    It annoys me that teams are effective against the Rockets with something most Jr. high teams can beat.

    DD
     
  14. laneh

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    This is exactly what I'm saying! The pass at the top of the perimeter is too dangerous. It has to be from the weak side and the pass has to come between two defenders in the from of a bounce pass or quick lob as shown in my quick drawing.
     
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    Yeah, the solution is to be able to throw over the top to Yao. He's not too good at getting that pass though.

    They already do the swing it around to the other side, which works well.

    A bigger concern for me is the PnR defense when Yao's involved. It just worries me :(
     
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    ALLEY-OOP, that's what I am thinking as well
     
  17. conquistador#11

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    one thing is certain, quick ball movement must be used to counter attack Nelson tactics. Yao has played very well against the warriors last season and this season. I think we should watch those games again.
     
  18. yearning

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    http://bbs.hoopchina.com/545956.html
    Have a look at this thread, it shows why we didn't make any shots in the last 6 minutes.
    Sorry for my poor English that I could not translate every analysis in the article but I hope you guys could get it through the pics.
    The main reason is the ball holder hesitated to pass the ball to yao when he was being fronted. :(
     
  19. Alvin Choo

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    easy. Options:
    1) Run a PnR with yao.
    2) Faster ball movement, then yao repost on the other side.
    3) A different player post weak side. Artest or scola.
    4) More dribble penetration, as with fronting, paint defense will drop.
    5) Yao just have to learn how to seal up his player, and grab the lob as it comes down.
     
  20. crp02c

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    Shoot is a good solution and I observed it many times this season. When Yao is fonted, the outside shooter shoot the 3 even with defense on him, then more often than not, Yao would get the rebounce and put the ball in easily.
     

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