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Guys... this is a GOOD thing. Let me explain...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bmd, Jul 13, 2014.

  1. dandorotik

    dandorotik Member

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    That's absolutely ridiculous- Parsons, Nowitski, Ellis, and Felton are 4 of the worst defenders among starting players. Tyson has regressed, and Dirk is not even a go-to guy. Dallas is no more prepared to even go past the first round than we are.
     
  2. Amir

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    only good thing is that casspi is gone. not much else.
     
  3. Krizzle

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    I see what you are saying and I respect that. In the end I will support this team even if we went 0-82.

    but Morey did make a mistake, and relied to much on dominos to fall his way. IMO I think we should have matched and tried different lineups and fling it this year and IMO every contract is tradable.
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    I agree, this is all a great thing, I mean, sure we'll never win anything but we'll have roster flexibility and that's really the goal of any franchise.
     
  5. Jpripper88

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    Jeremy Lin isn't worth an $8.375M cap hit or $14.9M salary, so in order to trade him to open up cap space or get a TPE, we had to attach an asset in the form of a 1st round pick. However, Jeremy Lin does have on court value and we didn't replace that value with anything we didn't already have (like Canaan or Johnson) on the roster. Therefore we got worse on court. In addition, having him as a part of a trade for a top flight (and high salary) player, mid season is more valuable for salary matching purposes than a TPE. Also, it likely doesn't cost as much of an asset to trade him mid season because the salary disparity issue is less of a problem and could be covered entirely by cash if we wanted. Even if it costs the exact same assets (the 1st round pick and highly protected Clips 2nd) you got 1/2 a season out of him and more flexibility to take back salary in a trade.

    On the same page now? The Lin trade was a monumental failure which makes the Rockets worse in 2014-15 and moving forward. There is absolutely no silver lining for the Rockets to the trade of Lin. The only thing that makes life better is the hopeful disappearance of LOFs on Clutchfans, for those of us on here.
     
  6. Shark44

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  7. Remii

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    He was more than a 3rd option... He was the 2nd best offensive player on the team after Harden. You guys act like the Rockets could lean on Howard's post game on a consistent basis.

    And he could still be here for a million, wouldn't have had to pay him $15 million.
     
  8. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    OMG - I actually agree.


    Was a terrible decision by Morey to not match. Our only hope of winning a ring was Parsons living up to that contract. Now...we have no third star on the horizon.
     
  9. Zergling

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    I'd rather win nothing with flexibility than win nothing without flexibility.

    The worst position in the NBA or NFL is being capped out and still not being good enough to win the championship. That's why Rick Smith deserved to be fired. How is a 2-14 team in cap hell?!

    Morey was wise not to get his team capped out and still not be good enough to win a championship. Instead we can go back into our usual mode of making moves that lead to moves that lead to the next star. The 3rd star (whenever we get it) changes everything.
     
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    he would still get paid. He might actually prefer that.
     
  11. bmd

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    Exactly.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    Fair enough, Morey has 2 more shots at landing a 3rd star and winning before Howard bolts and we have to start from scratch, we'll see if the forever retooling mode will work.
     
  13. Remii

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    Sounds like a Jerry Seinfeld episode. Much to do about nothing.

    I just found it funny that we had to give up an asset to trade an asset. But I don't blame Morey for Lin. I still think that was a Les move.
     
  14. Remii

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    Howard and Harden may feel differently than you and both of them will probably opt out of their contracts in two years. So that's how much time Morey has with that flexibility you're talking about because he might lose one of them if he doesn't.
     
  15. jwayne

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    The Mavs are not a championship contender because they signed Parsons... They are actually an older team with a couple of young guys who are good, but not great.

    Parsons is not a world beater... He was a good player, a good role player. Period, and you know it. If anyone on this board honestly thinks Parsons is worth $15M per or Heyward for that matter is, you are drinking the kool-aid. We have two legit STAR caliber players... We are not in rebuild mode as some have put it.

    Ariza fills the void Parson leaves, he is a MUCH better defender as well.
     
  16. sabesque

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    Completely agree with OP.

    The gamble with matching parsons and assuming that terrible contract is basically making the decision to roll with Harden & Howard & Parsons as a championship team. It's a good team but its not going to take you into June.

    That contract is going to prevent you from improving and its not an easily tradeable contract.

    with ariza we net equal on our starting lineup plus we keep the flexibility to do something to get us over the hump.
     
  17. sirbaihu

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    Hopefully, in my grandchildren's lifetime...

    While worded differently, this is exactly what Mark Cuban preached to the MFFLs when he decided to breakup the team that won the 2011 NBA title. I believe the terms used was "financial flexibility" which would allow the Mavs to be players in the free agent markets in 2012, 2013 & 2014. Now that worked out great for the Mavs didn't it?

    What you have said here is the very essence of HOPE. HOPE is NOT a plan. In this instance, HOPE is a merely a fallback position that allows Morey & Les to save face for what transpired this off season while enabling them to repeat said screwups in the future when they again pursue the free agent flavor of that moment. Perhaps this is a sign that the Rox should focus more on growing their own ala San Antonio instead of relying on the desire of "star players" to want to play in Houston.
     
  19. TEXNIFICENT

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    PREACH.

    Kwahi isn't worth a max deal either.

    Both guys are $10 mil + per year ball players (Nothing wrong with that) but to pay more when they need other great players to be at their best, is a bit silly.
     
  20. Big Time Titan

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    This is by far the most sensible thread and view I have seen these past couple of weeks. Morey has wiffed badly by letting CP hit the market and ultimately bolting because the move made zero sense. However, as bad a move as that was, we have still managed to get rid of Lin and Asik's contracts. That in itself is a huge win. Neither were productive enough to warrant the pay.

    Ariza is not a sexy pick up, at all. But the dude is a solid defender and the way his deal is structured allows for some serious flexibility going forward. Morey does some things that make us say WTF but I agree with bmd all the way.
     

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