MLB: "We have decided to suspend Yuli Gurriel for his insensitive actions towards a different race." But will continue sell merchandise with this on it:
See...real racism is FDRs internment of Japanese Americans in WW2, building walls to keep Mexicans and Americans separate and our current foreign policy in the Middle East. But no, the social justice warriors would have us believe slanted eyes and words are what matter. As I said earlier....keep crusading America.
After reading about it I thought he walked around the dugout for 6 seconds making slant eyes. After seeing the video I realized he was sitting on the bench by himself and said "what's up chinito?" after hitting a bomb off Darvish in the world series. I can only imagine what the Dodgers must have said about our pitchers while in the confines of their dugout after hitting their home runs. Like many have said in Latin America they call you chino if you're asian, güero if you're white and negro if you're black. I'm sure all the Latin players talked about how the were going to face "el chinito" in game 3. No way he deserves to be suspended. He already apologized to Darvish and anyone else he disrespected or offended. Really...let's move on to game 4 now.
You have no idea what he wrote since you admittedly didn't read it. A lot of your posts make more sense now.
I don't want him suspended, but I think from a policy standpoint you kind of have to or you lose the credibility to suspend someone for making a slight to a demographic that is more prone to playing the victim and feigning outrage. If the MLB would suspend a player for a slight to one of those groups, they should suspend him for what he did. It's a bit ridiculous, but that's the world we live in and it's best to be consistent.
I've skimmed through the thread since last night and I'm willing to take the Gurriel at his word and accept his apology. I'm still against Gurriel being suspended and will cheer for him just as hard as before when he comes up to bat tonight. What I'm more troubled by is all of those who are defending him. I can understand Gurriel making a mistake from ignorance or immaturity (lets not forget this is 33 year old man not a teenager) I can forgive him and hope he learns from it. What is worse is those who seem to be relishing this and hoping he makes a slant eyed gesture the next time he faces another Asian pitcher or making him out to be a hero. That seems even more reactionary and juvenile than what Yuli is doing. Y'all are so obsessed with fighting SJW's that rather than accepting Gurriel for doing the right thing and being a man and apologizing for something he admits he did wrong are hoping that he just continues what got him in trouble in the first place. As much as some might be using Gurriel to push a PC agenda y'all are using him to push a counter agenda. I believe Yuli didn't do it maliciously or have hate in his heart. I'm sure he got along great with Aoki when he was his teammate. That said this is a problem of tolerating casual racism. Such things are too often just dismissed as igorance or that's just the way we've always done things. For example if I referred to my Peruvian friend as "beaner" and excused it as well Mexicans eat beans and to me all Spanish speakers from south of US are Mexicans. I'm almost glad now that this issue came up because for as abused the term "teachable moment is" this is one of those. On the one hand we can consider how much we tolerate casual racism including racially charged gestures and languages. On the other hand we can learn from how Darvish has handled this and accept apologies with grace.
Pretty much this. Both Darvish and Yuli handled themselves well in the postgame. Teachable moment for people in and out of MLB. Move on. If Yuli is suspended I'm sure he'll appeal it, appeal won't be finalized until after the series, I'd guess. oh and @rocketsjudoka, calling your Peruvian friend a "potatoer" would be a lot more accurate.
Have you ever had that happen to you? I have. All through school people would call me ching chong, would make coments like They call me bruce. Better watch out he knows karate, and yes the eye squint, or why are your eyes closed. Yeah, i mean it was constant. But yeah these arent racist shitbags, they are just being playful. I cant speak for anybody else but that bullshit dont fky with me.
Really? I remember getting detention 30 years ago by saying in the cafeteria "chinese guy." And do you not recall Eddie Murphy's skit? Time to get over each other Who the F cares?
I think situations like these should always boil down to, was there malicious intent? If so, then he should be punished. If not then he should not. Make it a teaching moment and it better not happen again. Period. I don't care how many people were offended by what he did. That should never be the measuring stick.
So then my Halloween costume tonight should be Al Jolson in blackface because hey who the F cares? Roscoe are you Fatty Fat b*stard? He made the same comment to me on Facebook awhile back? If you are welcome back to Clutchfans. If not no big deal.
Lavar Bell made a racist statement but I don't recall the uproar in LA about it. Yahoo and Espn give this guy way too much pub even after his statement. There is a bit of a double standard here
What are we measuing here? A lot of people make statements out of ignorance, immaturity or in jest they might not be bad people but that still doesn't lessen that such statements are offensive. My friend's grandmother used to refer to black people as "Darkies" she wasn't a bad person and as far as I can tell treated everyone with well. I would say her words though were a measuring stick of the society and culture where she came from where such langauge was tolerated and even considered normal.
We now know that the gesture was exactly what people thought it was. It was Yuli making fun of the race of Yu Darvish. I agree with others that it was a stupid thing for a man in his thirties to do. There isn't really an excuse. I will say that racism in many parts of the world isn't viewed the same as it is in the United States. The reason is that those places don't have the same history of slavery and racial oppression that the United States does. So when it happens here, it has much more significance. I hope Gurriel isn't suspended and just fined. But he'll have to accept whatever the punishment is because committed the offense. My respect for Yu Darvish has increased a great deal because of how he handled this.
Yes, this is Jim. And had Yuli done this to his face, this would actually have been an issue. He did it in the dugout, amongst teammates. And, yes, I don't care.
Merely talking about order of magnitude. I don't excuse or condone demeaning behavior. I just can't take people seriously when they get mad about words and excuse imprisonment or murder. I also believe context matters. Perhaps those kids did mean it in a demeaning or hurtful way in your case. There are likely many examples with others where it was not meant this way. I'm not going to make blanket statements about others because it offended you. The media can't deal with this nuance, thus the outcry from journalists since yesterday.
Who knows if he did or didn't in the clubhouse or dugout around his teammates. See: Chen/Quintero picture posted earlier.
I just reviewed the picture. Was it a controversy at the time in any way? I don't find that one acceptable at all. What was that about and how was it funny?
