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Gunmen Shoot 5 at Minneapolis BLM protest

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  1. Invisible Fan

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    Two white looking people and one possibly Asian looking dude. Yay, murderous hate is multicultural...

    www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/us/minneapolis-shooting-protest-police-jamar-clark.html

    Five people were shot and wounded Monday night near a police precinct in Minneapolis where demonstrators have been protesting the fatal police shooting of an unarmed black man, the police said.

    The Minneapolis Police Department said in a statement early Tuesday morning that officers had responded to reports of multiple gunshots about a block north of the Fourth Precinct around 10:40 p.m. Monday. The victims were taken to hospitals with injuries that were not considered life-threatening, the police said.

    Miski Noor, an organizer at the Minneapolis arm of Black Lives Matter, said the shooting happened as demonstrators were escorting three masked men who had been behaving suspiciously away from the site of the rally, where people have gathered for more than a week to protest the Nov. 15 shooting of Jamar Clark, 24.

    When they reached a dark area, the men turned around and opened fire on the demonstrators before fleeing, Ms. Noor said.

    Three of the victims were taken to North Memorial Medical Center by a private vehicle, and two others were transported by ambulance to the Hennepin County Medical Center, according to the police statement.

    Ms. Noor said one of the victims was shot in the stomach and underwent surgery early Tuesday.

    The police said on Twitter that they were looking for three white male suspects. There had been no arrests early Tuesday. Officials said investigators were still collecting evidence and seeking and interviewing witnesses.

    During a telephone call to the precinct, police officers were overheard reviewing surveillance video and describing a masked white man pulling out a firearm, a description that appeared to align with accounts of the shooting that witnesses had given to Ms. Noor. In accounts given on social media and to Ms. Noor, witnesses described the gunmen as three men, two white and one Asian, wearing masks and bulletproof vests.

    Ms. Noor said that groups of men had been showing up to the demonstrations and “acting shady” since Friday. Witnesses reported that the men were filming protesters and refusing to answer questions about why they were there, she said. In response, the group put together a safety committee to watch for potential agitators and escort them away as a preventive measure, she said.

    The police said in their statement that after the shooting, they had put more officers on patrol near the protests.

    Some witnesses said on Twitter that they had been sprayed with Mace by the police following the shooting, including an organizer who was trying to film the aftermath, Ms. Noor said. The police did not respond to that accusation in a news release, and a police spokesman declined to answer questions beyond what was written in the statement.

    The fatal shooting of Mr. Clark has led to a series of tense standoffs outside the Fourth Precinct police station.

    Protests started within hours of Mr. Clark’s shooting, as some neighbors said that he had been handcuffed when he was shot, which contradicted statements by the Minneapolis police.


    Demonstrators have pitched tents outside a police station near the shooting scene, and dozens of people have been arrested during ensuing protests. In one protest, they marched onto an interstate and blocked traffic. Last week, the police used chemical irritants after they said protesters had thrown bricks and bottles.

    Activists had pledged to stay until specific demands had been met, including the release of video evidence in Mr. Clark’s shooting.

    Officials have met two of the demands, agreeing to a federal civil rights investigation into the shooting and releasing the names of the two officers involved.

    The officers involved in the shooting, Mark Ringgenberg and Dustin Schwarze, have worked for the Minneapolis Police Department for 13 months, though both have seven years’ experience in law enforcement.

    The police said that Mr. Clark was a suspect in an assault and that he had interfered with paramedics trying to treat his victim. When officers arrived, the police said, he fought with them, leading to the gunfire. Some who said they witnessed the episode disputed that account, saying on social media or to local reporters that Mr. Clark was handcuffed when he was shot.

    As in other cities where officer-involved shootings of black men have occurred, the protesters in Minneapolis have sought video evidence to resolve discrepancies between the accounts of the police and of witnesses.

    Drew Evans, the superintendent of the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which is conducting the state investigation, has said that the officers involved were not wearing body cameras and that there was no dashboard camera video from police cruisers. Mr. Evans said that cellphone video, surveillance footage from nearby buildings and a camera in an ambulance had captured portions of the encounter, but not all of it. Mr. Evans said that releasing that footage immediately, as protesters have requested, could compromise the investigation.

    Mayor Betsy Hodges of Minneapolis issued a statement last week calling on “officers to exercise maximum restraint” and asking “protesters to act peacefully.”

    “I understand that emotions are running high in the community and across the city,” her statement said. “I share many of the emotions that people are feeling in Minneapolis today.”

    Mr. Clark’s family, in a statement released through Representative Keith Ellison’s office after the shooting, urged the demonstrators to end the protest outside the Fourth Precinct, citing “imminent concern” for their safety, The Associated Press reported.
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    Don't know why white people take BLM so hard.
     
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    This is why people on the left and people at protests need to start embracing guns just like they did back during the civil rights movement.

    These three masked armed white people tried to come in and start an issue, and then they pulled a gun, and all the protesters could do was try to manually disarm them. If they had armed members there they could better respond to these kinds of white nationalist attacks, which, given the current political climate, are to be expected. The cops aren't going to protect you from them, they sympathize with the white nationalist attackers, and that will typically be the case. No, if you want to protest and be protected while doing so, then we are going to have to be armed and ready to deal with attacks ourselves.

    I am not blaming the BLM protesters for not being ready, I just think it would be a shame to not learn and adjust from such an experience.
     
  4. Rocket River

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    Deacons for Defense

    Rocket River
     
  5. bobmarley

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    Not saying this isnt true but there is some video out there that is a bit fishy. Also none of the wounds were life threatening. Only witnesses were BLM
     
  6. Invisible Fan

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    Applying for a peaceful protest permit and also implying open carry among the protestors whom are demonstrating against police brutality screams like a powder keg to me.

    I know what you're saying but to me that goes against the heart of demonstrations for raising public awareness to your cause.
     
  7. JuanValdez

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    One was shot in the stomach and went into surgery. If the wounds were self-inflicted as you seem to imply, well you'd have to be pretty damn committed to the movement to shoot yourself in the stomach and go into surgery just to get into the newspapers. I'd have been content to just take a grazing on the arm or lower leg.
     
  8. JuanValdez

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    To me as well, but I wasn't going to bother because I'm anti-Second Amendment anyway. Gun rights activists say the guns make everyone safer after all, despite the data and common sense; so maybe what looks to me like a disaster waiting to happen is actually exactly the thing that will make everyone safest. The 3 fellows who shot the protesters probably feel safer with their guns on.
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    Let's get the facts on the table here before rushing to judgment. Hopefully the board has learned from the Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin incidents that you shouldn't rush to judgment based on early, biased media reports.

    A skeptic could claim that BLM could have a false flag operation to increase their relevancy.
     
  10. peleincubus

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    exactly. we have all learned here that trayvon martin was 100% completely in the wrong. and that zimmerman was a great person that was looking out for everyone's well being in the neighborhood, and also would NEVER instigate anything with other people.
     
  11. bigtexxx

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    The jury made their decision, and Zimmerman walked free.

    There are plenty of people who are "less than great" out there in the world, so if that's the crime he's accused of then you should press charges.
     
  12. Rashmon

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    Can you account for your whereabouts last night?
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    boooooo.

    I was complaining about Tyrod Taylor's pathetic passing skills in the NFL forum because I needed Sammy Watkins to catch some passes for my fantasy team.
     
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    So OJ was innocent then too, who knew?
     
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    The rush to judgement tactic again? I don't see anyone in this thread even make any judgement. We've mostly been talking about the ancillary topic of whether peaceful protesters should be armed. As for the event, we have 3 alleged perps out on the loose and 5 people with bullet holes. We don't know anything about the perps. The first order of business is for the cops to investigate the incident. When they have someone they can indict, then we can jump to conclusions.

    I have to wonder about your early jump to skepticism though. A guy is in the hospital recovering from surgery after being shot in the stomach and your first thought is, "I don't know, it might be false flag!" Sure, we should wait for information since we don't have any yet. We should also wait on floating dumb conspiracy theories, even in the name of keeping an open mind. If the crime was fabricated, it'll soon come to light anyway.
     
  16. ubigred

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    Hahaha
     
  17. Bandwagoner

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    Yes they should be armed. And they should also call the cops instead of taking it upon themselves to "escort" people away from a protest. They don't have that authority, nor any authority to question why people were there.

    Get guns, and defend yourself if the "suspicious" guys start it.
     
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    Since a possible Asian person is involved, at least we can safely rule out race related motives from the equation
     
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    TLDR: racist WLM shoots racist BLM during a racist rally and racist BLM asks cops for assistance, who they consider racists. Can't make this **** up.
     
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    Exactly. As Charles E Cobb titled his recent book, "This non violent stuff will get you killed."
     

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