Guys, Weisbrod made one too many trades, and the Magic fell to **** because of it. But Weisbrod isn't fired. Davis gets fired. Coaches do not become stupid overnight. In this case, JVG's accessment of the Magic was spot-on. -P1st, S2nd
I am not saying Weisbrod hasn't made mistakes, but its not like Davis has a great track record as a coach.
Gabe, I see your point, but before that trade of Mobley for Christie the magic were playoff bound. -Passer first, shooter second
I agree completely. Other than that, I think Orlando has a decent future. Unfortunatly, their core is very shaky with Grant Hill, and they are very diverse age-wise. Howard may not grow into the role he needs to play before Hill is worthless, or the Magic rebuild again. Also, at some point in Steve's career, I think one of two things will have to happen for him to be a champion. 1) Steve joins a team as the 2nd or 3rd best player. This means, an adjustment in salary, role, and mindset. 2) Steve learns to play in a different way. He obviously has talent, but as long as he needs the ball so much it is going to put a ceiling on any team's play.
Honestly I didn't care too much about Steve or Cat at the time. The soar spot for me was loosing Cato. He was starting to turn his game around. Despite the lack of offence, he was a decent 4. Played great D, hit the boards, and watched Yao's back.
Let's examine the facts: The Rockets had just made the playoffs for first time in 5 years under Francis' leadership. Even before the trade, this made the Rockets playoff-bound, but that was the ceiling on their potential. Following the trade for T-Mac, now they have improved themselves by acquiring the pieces to become championship-contenders. Conclusion: the team's outlook improved. The Magic had made the playoffs in 3 out of the 4 seasons T-Mac played there. They acquired three starters in the trade while trading 2 starters (T-Mac, Howard) to the Rockets. They had missed the playoffs the previous year, they were expected to make the playoffs this year with fusion of new talent (Dwight Howard, healthy Grant Hill, Jameer Nelson, signing SG Hedo Torkuglo, etc.). They are currently on the outside looking in in the playoff race. Conclusion: Season would be considered successful if they advance to the playoffs, and a failure if they don't. Moreover, the Magic won't be in championship contention anytime in the near future. So their future is uncertain at best.
Tiger, I don't see where we are in disagreement. What's your contention with my statement? -P1st, S2nd
The mistakes were made once he figured Francis out. Bringing him in could have been a good trade had someone been able to teach Francis how to be a point guard and play defense. Once they realized that neither of those two goals were possible, something had to be done. So, he had to move francis to the 2 guard and in order to do that, needed to unload mobley in bring in a defensive player (christie), i'm sure he didn't realize that Christie's injury would limit him so much. If Francis' could have become a TRUE point guard then they probably would still have Mobley and this downward spiral to death and destruction would never be happening. *Disclaimer: My opinion doesn't mean much, because I have less than 1000 posts.
If the Rockets had Davis as their coach. A first year coach given a chance but he really didn't deserved it and their record was 500 after getting alot of hype early in the season. I think pretty much 90% of this BBS would want his head and probably alot earlier than Weisbrod did. I personally think Weisbrod did the right thing. He didn't want him back next year and their was no reason to think they would turn it around now. Trading Mobely in hindsight was a huge mistake. But Mobely wants Mo Taylor money with his next contract and Wesbrod didn't think he would sign an extension. So I can understand where he is coming from. In general I think Weisbrod has done a pretty good job. The trade, in the draft and getting good players in FA. If they had a different coach this year. A Fratello or a Adlman they would be one of the top teams in the east.
It's good to see Gundy take some shots at Weisass because he sure took a lot of shots at Tmac and the rockets at the beginning of the year when we got off to a slow start.
In hindsight? Maybe for Wiseass and you. I think everybody thought that it did not make any sense from the beginning. So they did not want Mobley to leave without getting anything back? Christie is not really something to get back anyway especially now that he's in IL and probably done for the season. Mobley has no D? Who was guarding Kobe last year in the playoffs? At least Wiseass should have waited to get a better deal becasue the trade deadline was still far away and worse comes to worse, let Mobley stay and they probably be in the playoffs this year. Again all this happened after the Mobley trade. He made a gutsy gamble during the draft which could have gone bad. So trading Gooden and Verajao for Battie was a good move? Getting a bench player like Turk for starter salary a good move as well? Not to mention Augmon and Stevenson..
So you think that trade with Drew Gooden and that Valero kid ( i forgot his name but i heard someone say he looked like side show bob) for Tony Battie was a good trade? Battie isn't doing jack for them.
