how would u know everyone doesn't have a gun? because a law says you can't have a gun? That worked great at the Newton elementary school.
knowing anyone could be armed at any time worked great in the wild west of the United States didn't it?
Sigh. The militia was drawn from the people, who are not professional soldiers. Militia is a subset of society, not all of it. Thus Mason's concern that wealthy folks could weasel their way out of service, much like what happened in the Civil War when rich guys paid poor guys to take their place.
Yea but you wouldn't know it with the idiot news people who proclaim them as "automatic weapons from the military battlefield" or other bull sheet like that. Too few bullets, too many idiots...
That is fine. They also had to pry a pistol out of his cold, dead hands as well. His last moments in life was in keeping with private ownership.
I don't feel like doing all the research necessary to put the Zacharia Johnson quote in context, but here is the language that Virginia proposed for the Bill of Rights that came from that session: Sam Adams quote came during the Massachusetts Convention when they were debating putting the Bill of Rights into the Constitution. His list, which went on and on past the meager quote provided, was a last ditch attempt to summarize all the potential Bill of Rights plus some into the version of the Constitution voted on by Massachusetts so as to influence the other states to include a Bill of Rights as well. His amendment failed and Massachusetts voted out the Constitution without the amendments. He happily supported the eventual Bill of Rights, with a few concerns about the 10th. Full Jefferson quote: Jefferson here is writing about Shay's Rebellion, which was crushed, but not before scaring the conservatives of the time. He's not suggesting a successful rebellion, but is instead advocating for an unsuccessful rebellion to keep the leaders from becoming complacent. "The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them." Here, he is definitely talking about the unsuccessful revolutionaries and what the central government should do with the rebels. He's being kind of snarky in this missive and this letter is one of the most misunderstood of all of Jefferson's writings. Also, keep in mind that at this time he was in France communicating with the revolutionaries and as the historian C. Vann Woodward surmises, was more concerned about European revolutions than American ones.
Seems like all these psychos take their own lives before a hero gun owner steps in. Except in Colorado, where he gets arrested.
The argument that a law can't do anything about human nature so we shouldn't have a law has come up a lot lately. Take this testimony from a Virginia Congressman: Oh, sorry. That was not an argument against gun control but testimony against a 1922 anti-lynching bill. Here's another bit of testimony from the same period, the argument of which would find favor among the gun nuts: Here's yet another version of the old States' Rights argument against gun control, er, lynching, with a little perverted interpretation of an amendment thrown in for good measure: http://www.digitalhistory2.uh.edu/active_learning/explorations/lynching/legislation_20s.cfm Hey gun nuts who support the doing of absolutely nothing to keep little kids from getting massacred... this is your legacy.
rimrocker posts with intelligence and substance, but his last sentence is unnecessary. Doing nothing is absolutely not the case.
Haven't seen anyone make that argument. Stop attacking a position nobody takes. Actually most have called for addressing mental illness (the cause of the massacre), unlike you Piers Morgan. Please exploit dead kids more (your legacy). Your point being what? I am also convinced from that Jefferson quote that he certainly believed individuals had the right to own a firearm. These security measures would ensure no guns in the arena?
No I specifically said that Heller does guarantee the right to firearms. What I said was that the 2nd Amendment doesn't prevent regulation of firearms. Theoretically that means that only muzzle loading firearms could be allowed. Rimrocker has addressed the George Mason and Sam Adams quote as best as I can but to add to the Thomas Jefferson quote I will point out that Jefferson was neither present at the drafting or ratification of the Constitution since he was in France at the time.
You might want to read some more about the Hamilton Burr duel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_Burr_Duel It's not a noble fight for freedom and Hamilton didn't even want to or try to shoot Burr. [rquoter]Hamilton stated that he was "strongly opposed to the practice of dueling" for both religious and practical reasons and continued to state: I have resolved, if our interview is conducted in the usual manner, and it pleases God to give me the opportunity, to reserve and throw away my first fire, and I have thoughts even of reserving my second fire.[28][/rquoter] Hamilton ended up dying in agony a day later in bed. Hardly the romantic "pry the gun out of cold dead hands" moment.
Except in Tuscon where he was taken down by people without using a gun when his high capacity magazine ran out and he had to reload.
If the 2nd amendment doesn't prevent regulation of any/all firearms, then it permits outlawing of any/all firearms. You think all firearms can be regulated except muzzle loaded firearms? Do I have that correct? Also it wouldn't matter what Heller says since we are debating the original interpretation when the founders wrote the 2nd amendment, not what some judge later thinks it means.
