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Guess who else is re-writing their history books....

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewYorker, Sep 1, 2006.

  1. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Not wrong, just hypocritical. If I said no one should brush their teeth, or complained about someone brushing their teeth, it would be hypocritical to then brush my own teeth, but brushing my teeth isn't wrong. Likewise, as long as the Chinese are visiting Mao's shrine, it is hypocritical to complain about the Japanese visiting Yasukuni, war-criminals and all (or as long as they are complaining it is hypocritical to visit Mao's shrine, works both ways). Likewise, saying something is hypocritical is much different than saying someone CAN'T do something. Saying someone SHOULDN'T do something is different from saying someone CAN'T do something. The Surgeon General of the United States says people shouldn't smoke cigarettes (it is printed in the form of a warning on every pack), but the office of the SGUSA does not say people can't smoke cigaretttes, and they are thus widely available to be legally purchased.
     
  2. real_egal

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    Sure, I am a bitter sore loser. Hope it doesn't upset your winning speech. However, I was still trying to adapt your logic, and apply that to your own words. Please do correct me if I am wrong in logic, do not waste time to evaluate my mood, because it has no merit to the relative right or wrong of anything in this thread.
     
  3. NewYorker

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    Well, i think your interpretation of my logic is perverse at best. You do come across as very bitter and defensive. So perhaps you can take that feedback and put it to use.

    You mood gets in the way of debating because you start personalizing things and getting all bent out of shape - and it makes it impossible to discuss things with you. So if you can keep your emotional side out of here, yeah, I don't think we'll have any issues.
     
  4. real_egal

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    Look, for those 50+ pages of discussions, 50+ posts from yours, can you recall any post of yours siting facts and data? What I remember is, you call this person "upset", that one "emotional", another one "personalizing", the fourth one "throwing personal attacks". Instead of debating and discussing any matter at hand, you were actually busy at "personalizing" things.

    Speaking of "perverse interpretation of logic", I can offer some friendly advice. In technology world, sometimes it's really hard to tell whether some method/idea is reasonable. The easiest way to evaluate is to apply the same logic and extend it to an extreme way, if you get absurd or "perverse" result, you know your method or original logic doesn't hold water.

    I already agreed with you that Chinese people are hypocrites, I don't understand who you are trying to convince by repeating it again and again. Then again, whether I am Chinese, bitter, or defensive, plays no role in the value of my opinion. Even if I am a stupid person, or a convicted war criminal, my words are not automatically right or wong. I don't understand why you have spent the whole week to argue whether certain posters were upset or emotional, instead of discussing the real matter in hand, unless you never had any argument to start with.
     
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  5. NewYorker

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    I think when someone like wnes calls another person a "whoring idiot", you don't need data or anything to describe that as a personal attack. By very definition it is. It's personal...and it's certainly not a complement. Do you wish to say that it is not a personal attack - one of many?

    Imagine how tiring it is to debate people who instead of sticking to the content of what you are writing continually bring it back that my position and what I am saying must be because of some "personal" agenda or some "characteristic flaw" or that I must be moronic or a "whoring idiot".

    So yes, when that happens, the debate is gone...it's now become a matter of dismissing the other person. So I am responding - why is this person doing this? Because there is something amiss and weird. YOu don't personally attack someone unless you are angry or upset.

    Do you call people idiots just for fun? Well, maybe so...but if someone calls me an idiot, then I think this person has some kind of problem. They are either defensive, or they maybe upset....but clearly they are not being rational as behaving like a uncouth monkey is not a normal reaction to trying to draw a parralell from one country's revisionist history to another's.
     
  6. MFW

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    Oh, please don't mind me, but I'm still waiting for New Yorker's ultimate and surely wonderful response on where in that article did it say China is re-writting history.

    But sorry for bringing the topic back on track, please feel free to continue the **** hurling.
     
  7. NewYorker

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    When you learn how to ask questions in a respectful way, you'll get a response.
     
  8. MFW

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    Um yeah. You see, I've tried that in the past. Others have tried that as well. But since we are not getting a response out of you either way, it matters very little which way I ask the questions.
     
  9. RocketForever

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    Well ... they perceive you are upset. And you also perceive they are upset. I guess you guys have to agree to disagree then. Or may be all of you are upset so everyone of you can claim victory. LOL ... sorry ... bad joke again :D. I just think it's funny that someone can claim victory in a debate because the other side is ... upset. :)
     
  10. NewYorker

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    Not from what I've seen, In any case, I guess you think throwing insults in there will more likely generate an answer. Ok...keep trying that and see how far it gets you.
     
  11. wnes

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    Whoo bee doo bee doooo, NewYorker, it is not a personal attack unless you take it personally. C'mon, for someone who always claims to maintain an air of aloofness and have his emotion in check, it doesn't look good on you when you keep whining about a keen observation on you and your posts. "Respect" and "insult" are emotionally loaded words. I am sorry to see you are upset.

    Oh, btw, nobody is interested in your extracurricular activities, no need to disclose you are selling yourself.
     
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  12. NewYorker

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    I claim victory only in that I wanted to end it and I think I've made my point that China was being hypocritical in criticizing Japan for how it thought it's history, when Chinese history was open to being altered and spun to fit their leaders agendas. That point was made....and that's all I was seeking to do.

    Generally speaking from experience, people become upset in debates when they are cracking and losing. That's where the defensiveness of the posters come from. It should be noted that many other non-Chinese have commented on their defensiveness. Defensiveness is a sign that a leveled charge has truth - it's a weak posture to take.

    Now...I felt the need to end things, and so I declared victory because despite all the insults and people being upset, most have acknowledge the points i'm making...despite a few who cling on to their flase reality.
     
  13. MFW

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    No. It was an honest question, one in which you are currently unwilling/unable to answer.

    Now, if you were actually interested to discuss how China is "re-writting" history, I suspect that you would have replied to me on how exactly you feel China is doing so the last time I asked.

    Of course, alternatively, you could point out where I've actually insulted you, beyond the level in which you used to insult others of course, cuz obvously you aren't a hypocrite.

    Shall I assume that you are unable to come up with an answer... yet again?
     
  14. NewYorker

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    May I remind you that you deleted your asute and keen observation on me "Whoring Idiot" after other people found it excessive.

    I really would think you would gain a lot from a dose of humility. It would do you a great deal of good.
     
  15. NewYorker

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    You can assume whatever you like. Again, when your drop the attitude, we can discuss.
     
  16. MFW

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    Now you see, this is intriguing. Coming into a "debate" (when it comes to you, I'm using the term loosely) yet unwilling to debate the topic at hand. Are you one of those who talks just to hear himself talk? Why open your mouth when you have nothing to say?
     
  17. RocketForever

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    Sorry to know you actually wanted to end it. This thread is entertaining to say the least. Anyway, I think it's going to be a chaotic ending because, just like you did, everyone will claim victory at the end. It's going to be fun to watch. :)
     
  18. NewYorker

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    Unwilling to speak to you...big difference.
     
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  19. NewYorker

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    Well, apparently my desire to end it will not go fullfilled....so I too wonder how this will end....
     
  20. MFW

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    Really? I'm asking you where in that article did you get the impression China is "re-writting" history. Considering that is the topic of this thread started by you, it don't get more on topic than that.

    Or did you post your flamebait thread then suddenly noticed that it was a swing and miss and had to bite your tongue instead?
     

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