What deferred money? I'm not clear on that. Does it mean the incentives? Is the last year a team option, or have a team buyout? Still seems like a heck of a lot of money. Scola's deal looks better all the time.
Paying a guy 150% of his value in a non-compete situation is nothing short of foolish. The NBA is continuing to move closer to a hard cap, will probably ratchet the cap and lux tax tighter in the new CBA, and signing a fringe starter to 2nd option money is going to make it harder for you to compete. When you're a small market team like Memphis that is already borrowing heavily from the NBA front office, you've got to be focused on value. If you have a real star, yes, pay him. But you can't afford to just toss dollar biscuits at anyone that plays above NBDL level for you. You can only bank on sure things. Conley is what? About the 20th or 25th best PG in the league? ESPECIALLY with a For Sale sign perpetually outside the arena, the Griz should have a straight forward M.O. - fill the team with rookie deals. Guy like Gay ready to be paid? S&T. More picks. Mayo ready for his? S&T. More picks. Eventually, they'll hit and land a true stud. When that happens, pay for a good cast and compete. Follow the template of the Sonics/Thunder.
As the CBS writer points out, the worst part of this deal is that it has effectively crippled the Grizzlies' ability to re-up their best players -- the ones who should actually be getting paid. Players like Marc Gasol and OJ Mayo (who is due for extension next year). And all that with a new CBA coming up that will cripple them even more. And of course, it makes things worse for everyone else in the NBA, especially when you now have deserving players like Aaron Brooks who haven't gotten their extensions yet get their values overinflated for no good reason. It boggles the mind that Mike Conley of all people is making anywhere close to the same amount Rajon Rondo does.
His steals (3.7) and assists (8.3) are way up this season. Ya 3 games is an extremely small sample size. Nonetheless, the guy plays defense so contrary to what DD thinks, some GM's still value defense from a PG.
I can tell you don't watch the grizz or understand. In fact the heart and soul of this team is Marc Gasol, not Rudy.
hahahaha. The level of hate for the grizzlies is extreme. Man, you should watch the grizzlies play sometime. Tonight would be a great time. You might find that the grizzlies play a pretty entertaining brand of basketball. And i can guarantee that if you watched Marc Gasol play at all, you'd be a fan of his. The guy has heart. Stop dissing the grizz and watch them play. You might have a different perspective.
I picked Tinsley just because most of the other teams either had: A) Superstars B) Rookie scale contracts at the point position Way to cherry pick a meaningless example to invalidate the whole argument. The point is Conley IS NOT IN THE BOTTOM THIRD OF STARTING PGS. He's making same amount of money as Rajon Rondo, for crying out loud The fact that you can't seem to grasp this simple concept looks to me like you're some sort of Anti-Grizzly troll who impersonates die-hard Grizz fans just to make everyone hate their guts.
With the new CBA going on the range for player salaries might become smaller. Nowadays its something like: 16M-Superstar 12M-Elite 9M-Good 5M-Average (mid-level) 3M-mediocre But with the new CBA the salary scale might go down and the mid-level might disappear altogether, ending up with something like this: 12M-Superstar 9M-Elite 6M-Good 3M-Average to mediocre (no mid-level) ^In this case everyone who locked up their players in advance get a big fat facepalm. There's no upside to picking up Brooks' option, and plenty of risk by doing so.
all i know is if Memphis is giving up on Gasol the rockets need to seriously consider pursuing him....Les needs to decide whether he values winning over money...i'd say go for it, winning brings money and we already picked up a million chinese fans for life.
That ain't anything. Check this out: http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/25626885 Grizzlies commit franchise suicide, extend Conley Posted on: November 2, 2010 2:46 am Edited on: November 2, 2010 9:41 am Grizzlies point guard granted 5-year, $45-million extension for mediocrity, continued inconsistency.Posted by Matt Moore In the long history of terrible moves by the Memphis Grizzlies, mark my words, this one will reign supreme. Worse than drafting Hasheem Thabeet. Worse than trading Pau Gasol for Marc Gasol, Kwame Brown, and cash. Worse than re-signing Rudy Gay for $80 million. This, this right here, is not just the worst move in the history of the Grizzlies, but it is the shining golden cap on the mountain of terrible moves made by NBA owners over the past 2 years. It is this, exact move, that nullifies any argument the owners can possibly make that they spend their money responsibly inside the current CBA. It is this contract that overshadows Joe Johnson's contract, Amir Johnson's contract, Darko Milicic's contract as the single worst contract handed out in 2010. ESPN's Chris Broussard and the Memphis Commercial-Appeal reports that the Memphis Grizzlies have agreed to a 5-year, $40-million-plus extension for Mike Conley. There is really nothing more to say. But here's something anyway. Mike Conley is the worst starting point guard in the NBA. That's including Derek Fisher, who is at this point both a defensive signpost and a superior point guard. People often wonder why it is I consider this to be so. The reasons are numerous. It's not that Mike Conley is not a good basketball player. He is. He's a career 44% shooter, and 38% from the arc, which isn't bad at all. As a spot-up back-up combo guard, he wouldn't be bad at all. Mike Conley is not a bad NBA player. But there are three things this contract supposes that he is not. He is not a starting caliber point guard. He is not worth $45 million dollars over 5 years. And he is not worth the longterm damage this contract does to the Memphis Grizzlies franchise. Conley's biggest problems involve things which are extremely hard to identify in the box score. His turnover margin is acceptable, if not stellar. He was 24th in the league last year in assist rate among point guards who played 25 minutes or more. That's not good, at all, but it's not horrific. But if you watched as many Grizzlies games as I have, you'd know certain things. Like, for instance, his dribble probe ability. Every point guard in the National Basketball Association is able to probe the defense. It involves stepping inside the arc, towards defenders, and maintaining your dribble to see how the defense reacts to penetration. It allows the point guard to evaluate spacing and set up the correct set of decisions. Mike Conley cannot. He will routinely turn his back to a post maneuver, just to avoid losing the ball. This is because he has tremendous difficulty in splitting defenders. This is just one example. He struggles in the pick and roll according to Synergy Sports, averaging just a .79 PPP in the pick and roll and shooting 44% which is a great Field Goal %, but not in pick and roll. Defensively? It's even worse. Conley surrenders a .96 PPP in Isolation, giving up free throws over 16% of the time. In pick and roll, a .82. It's not horrific. It's just miserably average-to-subpar. This at the most important position on the floor. Bear in mind that Conley plays in a high-octane, weapon-loaded offense that allows him to get out in transition and get easy buckets. Yet he turned the ball over in transition 16.7% of the time. Advanced stats don't look much better. Conley has never posted a +15 PER, the benchmark of an average player in the league. Conley is only 23, but it would require a monumental improvement in several categories for him to reach the point of actually deserving this kind of contract. As a comparison? Rajon Rondo makes only $10 million more for his extension than Mike Conley. Rajon Rondo. The guy that just dropped 24 assists in one game for a title contender. That guy makes $2 million more per year, that's it. But the real problem with this contract? The damage it does to the future. Alongside Conley, the Grizzlies needed to extend Marc Gasol, the only real asset they acquired in the Pau Gasol trade. Marc Gasol is arguably the most important player on the team. He is an excellent passer out of both the high and low post. He has a reliable mid-range jumper, is tremendous on the offensive glass, and works his face off on the defensive end. He shows hard and recovers on the pick and roll, maintains low-post position and is active, and continually makes hustle plays. This in a league that is painfully thin on centers. And the Grizzlies have just opened the door for Gasol to walk away in restricted free agency. Zach Randolph has to be re-signed after his contract expires this year, and given the affection the Grizzlies organization has shown Randolph, there's no sign they won't overpay for Z-Bo as well. Which would mean making room for Marc Gasol would be incredibly difficult. Then next season, you have O.J. Mayo in a similar boat. Looking for an extension. But after the owners' hardline CBA renegotiations get through, how much cap space will they have left? Plus they'll have Hasheem Thabeet coming up soon and a need to justify their drafting of him by waiting for him to develop over the next decade. So what you're looking at with this extension is the rare combination of a move that's bad in and of itself, and mortgages your ability to win later by most likely expending two of your three best players. You now have $120 million committed to Rudy Gay and Mike Conley over the next six years. That's bad enough, but you'll most likely be losing better players in order to form around that core. It damages you in the short term. This is a player who you have tried to improve upon with Jamal Tinsley, moving O.J. Mayo to point, Greivis Vasquez, Allen Iverson, and I'm pretty sure a clone of John Stockton. But this is the player you have chosen to give $40 million-plus to. The owners have held the high ground in negotiations regarding the CBA. Even with moves like Darko, Johnson, and the stellar history of Isiah Thomas, the ownership has been able to justify the moves they've made. But this is more damaging than others. This is a clearly B-Level player getting close to $9 million a year. The Commercial-Appeal reports the decision was largely made upon Conley's strong start to this season. Three games. In a contract year. Featuring a game against the Minnesota Timberwolves. This, apparently, is what sets the market in Memphis. When Ken Berger reported last month that the NBA was considering contraction as a possible solution to its economic woes, I spoke out passionately against it. Small-market fans shouldn't be punished and the overall health of the league nationwide shouldn't be harmed in an attempt by larger market teams to make life easier on them. But after this deal, the question must be raised. Would the Grizzlies be better off if they were simply erased from existence? Is a fan base better off existing in a constant and continual cycle of disappointment and failure, or simply not existing at all? Mike Conley made $45 million without a single impressive season. And the bizarre, cruel, laughable reign of Michael Heisley continues.
If Conley was putting up the numbers that Rondo has been putting up these first four games, this move might seem a little more logical
Conely isn't making Rondo money. The first year of the extension is only $6.5m, which isn't to far from the mid level. He wouldn't make Rondo money until at least the 3rd year.
Agreed, I don't wanna jump to any conclusions, but Conely is putting up some pretty impressive numbers. Maybe the GM isn't an idiot?
So with the current whooping by the Fakers, Grizz are 2-2 With Conley getting 16/5/8/3 .... Is he that worth it ? Oh wait they might trade the other Gasol for Sasha since he scored Sharapova (good for tix sale)
Are they high? Mike Conley is among the WORST starting PGs in the NBA, maybe the worst. He has 4 good games and hits the jackpot? This is why the Grizz will continue to be the laughing stock of the NBA. I can't imagine what Aaron Brooks is gonna get now that the market level has been set this high
Maybe the worst starting pg in the nba? Not even close. In a blowout loss tonight against the Lakers, he had 16 pts (6-11, 3-4), 5 rebs, 8 assists, 1 turnover, and 3 steals in 34 mins.
