for what?? seriously??? how about for a bird in the hand??? we already KNOW that Duncan and Garnett are unreal talents. We also know Kobe is (another guy I'd give Griffin up for). Don't get me wrong I THINK Griffin is going to be awesome....but I don't KNOW that. And I certainly don't KNOW that Griff is going to be BETTER than Duncan/Garnett/Kobe etc. trust me...those teams aren't giving up they're proven franchise players for our "maybe." there have been better rookies in the league than eddie griffin....give him time, and I think he'll develop...but my gosh, to say you'd turn down a deal for a Kobe Bryant for an unproven rookie is about the silliest, homer thing I've ever heard of
Please edit your post. It's like you're strutting around with your pants around your ankles. I'd have considered the proposed trade if McDyess were healthy, but it's out of the question since he's not. I'm still pondering Griff, Cat, #1 for Duncan. Cato/Willis Duncan/Mo Kenny/Rice/TMo/Langhi Oscar Stevie/Mooch Wow, that's interesting to ponder. The key question is how would Duncan and Steve work together? But that's no starting lineup to laugh at. If there were any reason to think Griff and Cat were to plateau where they're at now, I'd do it. I have no interest in trading those two guys, but you have to consider it when offered a player like Duncan.
No.. i will not edit my post... what is there to ponder? You trade Mobley (Francis' friend), Griffin, and the #1 pick... you lose the future of the franchise. In 2003 when both Duncan and Francis become FA's.. what will happen then? Lets ponder this... they both would want the max, which we could not afford (luxury tax)... so Francis leaves because hes still pissed that the rockets org traded mobley. Duncan then decides if he should take max money from the rockets or max money from somewhere else. Why would he want to take the max with us when we don't have anybody on our team except for old washed up Glen Rice, Cato, Torres and Moochie Norris? Is this worth trading for Duncan now?
I would trade EG for Timmy or KG in a heartbeat. I can't believe that a lot of you just don't get how good these players are. Griff is an unproven talent...I would trade great potential for an already unbelievable proven player(TD or KG) anyday!!!!!!
i don't know how griff will turn out, just that he's going to be good. i don't think he will be as good as duncan (sorry) but could turn out very similar to a quiet KG. the thing is, i wouldnt do that trade right now. especially the mcdyess trade...that trade is awful. mcdyess is a ton more expensive and at this point, more baggage than griff. wait a few years, and garnett-griffin will not sound so lopsided
Kidrock, we think similarly in some ways on talent evaluations... but I think that's pretty hard to tell. The criticism was always that Duncan didn't have killer instinct. Well, now you say he does... I don't think he does, but that he gets along pretty well without it, and that such things are generally overrated. Griffin seems to have more pure athleticism than Duncan, and is already a better shot blocker. He also seems to be a better pure shooter. If he could develop even a passable post-game and slightly better ball skills... then yeah, he might eventually be a 22/10/3 type player. We don't know that he will be... but it's premature to say he won't.
I think that's pretty hard to tell. The criticism was always that Duncan didn't have killer instinct. Well, now you say he does... I don't think he does, but that he gets along pretty well without it, and that such things are generally overrated. When's the last time a team has won a championship without a star with "killer instinct"? The Spurs didn't just win the title in 99, they romped through the whole playoffs much like the Lakers did last season. For a team to be that good, and that dominant, one of the stars has to have killer instinct. Don't even try to tell me it was David Robinson. And no, it wasn't Mario Elie either. Elie may have been a quality team leader, but he definitely isn't singularly responsible for any killer instinct or lack of it in Duncan's game. Also, to this day, Kevin Garnett still does not have a great postup game. He's a better passer than Eddie, but the rest of his game consists of a relatively simple offensive repetoire, and using his athletic frame to grab rebounds and blocks on defense. He is better than EG is right now, but it's very possible that three to four years from now Eddie is as developed on the low block as KG is now.
Cat, your answer begs the question. The Spurs were a team without a player with a killer instinct that won the championship. They are the last team that did so. Why is a killer instinct necessary? If you have much better talent and chemistry... well, you're going to win more often than not. And why would I want to tell you that one of those players has "killer instinct?" I think it's mostly irrelevant. Certain players do seem to perform better in pressure situations in basketball... but I don't think that it's necessary to win.
I think Denver would. Not because of the stupid trade they made. LOL. Because McDyess will walk out of Denver anyway, so they might as well pick up a building block. I still think they should've traded McDyess before the deadline.
Mario Elie ring a bell? Elie was the leader of that team. He was the guy who got his team to play balls out. Before Elie had came they were very soft, now that's he gone, they seem to be going back to being soft. The Spurs had a killer instinct that year. It was the only year, but they did have it.
Who would take on McDyess, bad knees and and a max contract? The best they'd be able to get is someone else's trash, like a Vin Baker, Gugliotta, etc.
Duncan is the highest rated (most productive) player on virtual gm - KG is third, behind Shaq. Any Gm in the league would trade anyone else for those guys, if he could keep them. VGM* = VGM pts per gm. = (PTS + REB + AST + STL + BLK)-((FGA - FGM) + (FTA - FTM) + TO)
MM, What you say is all true but we have to remember that all of those teams are contenders right now. While Eddie may turn out to be better than all of those players he would set that team back by a couple of years and by the time he begins to peak the rest of that teams players may be starting the back side of there careers. So for SA or LA or Minn to trade one of its star players makes no sense at all. Houston on the other hand is not one player away from being a serious contender. We are still a couple of players and a couple of years worth of maturing away from being serious contenders. While trading for Garnett or Duncan would instantly make us better it would not instantly make us contenders and by the time the rest of our team was ready to contend we would only have 3 maybe four prime years left with Garnett or Duncan. Duncan is fixing to turn 26 and would be pushing 28 or 29 before the Rockets would be serious contenders. Garnett is about the same age as Duncan. Eddie on the other hand has shown all of the ability at 19 to be a truely dominant player at this level. In a few years when the rest of our peices are in place and Steve has finished maturing Eddie will still have at least 10 dominant years left and maybe more. Sure it is a gamble since Eddie may not continue to develope or he could get injured (so could Duncan or Garnett though) but if it pays off then we are set for well beyond 2010. By the year 2010 Duncan and Garnett could be well on their way to the retirement home. Garnett in perticular would have put a lot of NBA level wear and tear on his body by the time he is 34. Remember that Dream just turned 38 last month and we have been trying to put him out to pasture for a few years now. In the year 2012 Eddie will only be 29 and in the very prime of his career. It is hard to argue against any trade that might bring in someone with the ability of Duncan or Garnett but I personally would rather just take my chances on Eddie.
Garnett would be the only player in the league I would trade Eddie for. Kevin is my favourtie non-Rocket (yes that's right, including Hakeem).
I have a feeling that posts like these will not be as prevalent next year. Griffin will be a stud. He's exceeded my expectations this year.
Even with bad knees and a max contract, McDyess is a top 5 PF in the league. before he got injured he was a 21/12/ 1.5blk per game. they can get A LOT more than a vin baker or gugliotta.
More than Gugliotta? Yeah. More than Baker? I'm not so sure. Baker's quietly had a good season. With McDyess or Baker, you seem to be getting a mixed bag anyway. Baker plays well. When he has his head on straight. McDyess plays better... when he is actually on the court... which seems even less often. Maybe Baker and a 2nd rounder or so... but not much more.
wow, dont even start with motaylor. you seriously missed the entire point of the trade, despite that point being extremely and utterly HUGE.
ah man, thats a shame. another mind gone to waste. how can you criticize kiki's thoughts, when you think like this?
