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Greatest Country In The World Votes To Cut Food Stamps To Poor

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by CometsWin, Sep 19, 2013.

  1. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Republicans more precisely, like you couldn't guess. What a great country. We can spend $67 billion on the F22 Raptor fighter boondoggle but no food to the poor. Now that is truly exceptional.


    House approves bill with deep food stamp spending cuts

    http://news.yahoo.com/house-approves-40-billion-cut-food-stamps-poor-222219735.html

    By Charles Abbott

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Republican-run House of Representatives voted to cut spending on food stamps for the poor by $40 billion over 10 years on Thursday, defying a veto threat from the White House in the name of fiscal reform.

    Majority Leader Eric Cantor, the driving force behind the legislation, said it was "wrong for working, middle-class people to pay" for abuse of the program, whose costs have skyrocketed in recent years.

    Democrats pointed to nonpartisan estimates that the bill would end benefits to 4 million needy people in 2014.

    Representatives passed the bill on a party-line vote, 217-200. Speaker John Boehner said passage would trigger long-awaited negotiations with the Democratic-controlled Senate over a new $500 billion farm bill, already a year overdue.

    Senators voted in May for $4.5 billion in food stamp reductions, about 1/10th of the House proposal. With nutrition programs as the sticking point, analysts are skeptical that a compromise farm bill can be written that would pass in the sharply partisan Congress.

    Debbie Stabenow, chairwoman of the Democrat-controlled Senate Agriculture Committee, called the House bill "a monumental waste of time" that would never become law.

    "We have never before seen this kind of partisanship injected into a farm bill," Stabenow said.

    The White House on Wednesday threatened to veto the House bill to prevent damage to "one of our nation's strongest defenses against hunger and poverty."

    A near-record 47.76 million people, or one of seven Americans - about 85 percent of them children, elderly or disabled - received food stamps at latest count.

    House Agriculture Committee chairman Frank Lucas hailed the House bill for its "common sense reforms," while other Republicans used harsher language.

    Kevin Cramer of North Dakota decried a "culture of permanent dependency" associated with food stamps, whose proper name is the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). Rick Crawford of Arkansas said food stamps were "fraught with abuse."

    "There won't be needy people taken off of this," said Steve King, Iowa Republican. "This is a sincere effort to manage the budget."


    SNAP, which helps poor people buy food, is the largest U.S. anti-hunger program. Enrollment has doubled and costs have tripled since 2004. Benefits average $1.47 per meal per person with an aggregate cost of $78 billion last year.

    To fiscal conservatives, the program is a costly taxpayer burden. Tea Party-influenced Republicans demanded deep cuts in it and blocked an earlier proposal to cut $20 billion over 10 years as insufficiently small.

    "This legislation is preying on people. P-R-E-Y-I-N-G!" said House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, spelling the word out for emphasis.

    The Cantor-backed package would limit able-bodied adults without dependents to three months of food stamps in a three-year period unless they worked part-time or were in a workfare or job-training program. It would end a provision, created by the 1996 welfare reform law, that allows states to give food stamps to people whose assets are larger than usually allowed.

    Those two steps would save $39 billion over 10 years and reduce enrollment by almost 4 million people in 2014, said the Congressional Budget Office. Another reform would reduce benefits by $90 a month for 850,000 households.

    Marcia Fudge, Democrat of Ohio, and other Democrats said there were not enough jobs, workfare assignments or job-training programs to match the number of people who could lose food stamps after three months.

    "We all know there are three people for every available job in this country," Fudge said.

    Florida Republican Steve Southerland said, "Work is a blessing" and stricter eligibility rules would move poor people into jobs.

    David Beckman, president of the charity Bread for the World, said the cuts included in the House bill, roughly $5 billion a year, were equal "to doing away with all the food charity in the country."

    Food-stamp defenders say continued high enrollment is a sign of the weak recovery from the 2007-09 economic recession, depressed wage growth and persisting high poverty and jobless rates.

    While the Senate in May passed a comprehensive farm bill, with statutes ranging from crop subsidies and food stamps to conservation and rural development, the House, in an unprecedented move, divided its bill. Thursday's bill was devoted to nutrition, the lion's share of spending, and it earlier passed a smaller bill dealing with farm programs.

    The split was a tactical victory for fiscal conservatives in the House because it is easier to cut spending when programs are isolated. Food stamps would face another review in three years and farm programs in five years under the House plan.
     
  2. Deckard

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    It's incredible. The Republican Party's leadership, along with a majority of the Republican House members, obviously, have become politically psychotic, in my humble opinion. Collectively psychotic. My sister has been a Republican since Reagan, and she thinks the same way as I do about the GOP leadership.
     
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  3. B-Bob

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    Wow. I think the house GOP just found the absolute LAST thing that Jesus Christ would want them to do.

    Feed the poor? Hell, not on my taxes! Let them starve, or get another minimum wage job!

    Yeah, it just doesn't sound very Jesus-like to me. Maybe I have a tin ear.
     
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    Amazing, kick some dirt in the eyes of the poor and needy. They should reduce the DoD budget and even stop foreign aid to take care of our own first.
     
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    I think they should really up the ante here. Let's think of other basic parts of the New Testament they can poop on.

    They already prize the accumulation of wealth. They heard Jesus talk about a camel fitting through the eye of a needle and said "what about an obese elephant, you shoeless hippie!"

    Maybe their next trick will take the story of loaves but instead of handing out bread they can donkey punch the poor while Jesus looks on. "What about that, you commie sumbish!?! CASE CLOSED!"
     
  6. tallanvor

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    They didn't vote to not feed the poor they voted not to force people to feed the poor. Do you really not understand the difference? Its called freedom.

    CometWin, why would you judge greatness on how much money we forcefully take to give to some cause?
     
  7. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Feeding the poor isn't some cause. The fact that you phrase it that way underscores your lack of understanding or maybe even your lack of giving a **** what the function of government, the concept of a modern society, entails.

    Having hungry people in the wealthiest country on Earth isn't freedom, it's a ****ing embarrassment.
     
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    Republicans have won the freedom from feeding the poor. Celebrate that great victory...
     
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    FIFY.

    If you wanted to be charitable with your money would you give it to the government, who sucks at just about everything, or would you do some research and pick the philanthropic organization you found to be the best?

    What if I would rather spend my money on an organization that helps the poor find employment or learn skill sets instead of feeding them? Does this make me evil?

    food stamps are the very definition of charity

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/charity?show=0&t=1379642562

     
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  12. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Government services aren't charity no matter how obtuse you are.
     
  13. Dairy Ashford

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    I don't think any government expenditure should be immune to cuts. A large enough portion of country probably feels similarly enough about this that there probably won't be any political or electoral blowback. I'd also wonder whether or not state governments are already helping with some of these services.
     
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    The hypocrisy of religious belief, and politics... Truly followers of Christ... :rolleyes:
     
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    ...and somehow the liberals on this board have turned this into their favorite subject: bashing Christians.
     
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    If its about having universal tough cuts even in sensitive touchy areas, thats one thing. Thats classic conservatism in the the household, business and in legislature.

    Its crying "abuse" of the system as the main reason for it, putting blame on citizens for being leeches, when indications are the majority of people use it fairly enough, thats when its a more loaded issue.

    Its getting out of hand how those who attain good financial standing, how they project judgment and call out bad character at everyone who falls short as being some lowlife r****d who doesnt follow the "discipline to success" they do.

    "I did it right how its 'supposed to be' - must be something WRONG with YOU then!"

    Well maybe so, what if there really is? Is there enough "industry" and job roles for everyone out there even the less than able?
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    from the article:
    Can the liberals around here take a break from their knee-jerk Christian bashing splooge fest to actually read the article? Share with me why this is not a reasonable, pragmatic and responsible way forward.
     
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    Where do we draw the line? I don't think many people are against helping people with a little pick me up, but eventually you have to hold others accountable otherwise it will be never-ending.
     
  19. bigtexxx

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    Very poor quality post. You're taking out the frustrations and insecurities you have towards Christians without actually taking the time to read the article and weigh the points. I would expect an educator to be more thorough than what you have shown me in this thread. Intellectually lazy and sloppy thinking.
     
  20. CometsWin

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    There's a long list of people who were responsible for blowing the lid off the debt and tanking the economy yet it's the hungry and the poor at the front of the accountability line? TARP alone was $700 billion. It's never ending, so let's start with the poor and the hungry.

    That's our country right now and it's so disgusting.
     
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