Great to see a real PG out there w/ the Rockets offense

Has anyone but me noticed that since Iverson has become a 2, his shooting % and asst/to ratio has gotten worse? What makes anyone think that Francis will be any better. Moving low b-ball iq players to different positions doesn't change their iq.

 

Francis is still one of the two best players on this team, and lately he has been the best because Yao has been off for some time now. According to you SF3 is only thinking about himself when he tries to take the game over.

So I guess every superstar in every league is just selfish? Superstars are team players by taking over games when they need to. If SF3 commits TOs or takes bad shots he is not doing it because he is selfish he is doing it because thats what the best player on the team is supposed to do. When other players don't get it done(ie. Yao and everyone else on the Rockets that couldn't throw the ball in the ocean against Denver) he should try and take over. And that's what he does.

Kobe Bryant is a selfish player. When questioned about taking bad shots by the coach, he chose to not shoot in that Sac game to show the coach and team that they need him. THAT IS SELFISH. Superstars taking shots and trying to make things happen is what they are supposed to do. He is playing his role.

Say he's a bad player if you don't like his game, but if you think that his problem is selfishness then you are waaaaay off.

 

I bet most non point guards have very high Assist to turnover ratios because they're not looking to pass the ball. That's why the stat is only used to evaluate point guards.

 

That's a team who had kicked Rox' a$$ 3 times this season.

 

I am not sure why I even read the threads like this but I guess it is to see what kind of crap the Steve haters can come up with. It is quite obvious that some of you guys watch all the games with your hater glasses looking for any possible reason to bash. The Seatle game was a fluke. The hot shooting and the more then normal generous refs are things that don't happen very often, and they still barely beat a team that is like 10 games below .500. This team needs Steve or a guy like him on the team. Yao doesn't show up half the time and our shooters like Cat and JJ are so streaky, you will never know what you will get from them. Steve is needed as a second fiddle. I wouldn't want to rely on MJ for any period of time, it was just one of those games and the rockets were fortunate to get it when he got all those minutes.

 

BrianKagy wrote a brilliant post about calling others' posts brilliant who you tend to agree with.

 

A real point guard is hard to get.

 

And? Now we can't agree with other posts!? You do.

 

Not agreeing with the post, calling the post good or on point because you agree with it.

 

For the life of me, I can't understand why posters who have a different assessment of a player than you do are "haters?" Since you have a different view, are you a hater? What possible reason would I have or any other poster who does not see what you see in Steve Francis have for hating him? This is not about hate, it is about what we think is best for the team. Just because you disagree, it does not make us "haters." I wish people would get over your personal attachments, emotional investments, or whatever is driving you, and just talk basketball. Assessing player performance is not "hating." Geez!

 

Actually no. Point guards have the advantage of making assists more than other players. Assists are "easier" to achieve than TOs in the statistical sense. Of the top 20 A/OT leaders, only 2 are not PGs.

 

Uh actually yes, these are the top ten leaders in assist to turnover ratio. 9 point guards

1. Antonio Daniels
2. Damon Jones
3. Reggie Miller
4. Jason Williams
5. Jeff McInnis
6. Steve Nash
7. Eric Snow
8. Earl Boykins
9 . Gary Payton
10. Rafer Alston

 

Sorry Easy, I misread your post because you made the same point I was making. Allen Iverson's assist to turnover ratio went down because he's not playing point guard.

 

If the rockets shot 40 some free throws in those other Seattle games, they would of won those too. Steve shot % would be better because we would of shot 20 free throws instead of the missed shots. His assist numbers would obviously be better because they were actually making shots last night.

I don't see how knocking seattle has anything to do with bashing Steve. Seattle was not the same team defenively as they were in the other games.

More then anything, I am tired of all the trade steve threads where posters manufacture reasons. He could play flawless for 47 minutes and make one mistake and people will harp about it for a week. I am well aware he isn't perfect and has many faults just like every other rocket player.

I am not ready to conclude that MJ is god and should be starting now based on one good game, where over the course of the season, he didn't put up good numbers and the offense looked like complete crap at times with him in there.

I gotta jet, so I appologize if half the stuff doesn't make sense. Don't got time to reread it.

 

So, what is the point of this thread?