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Grade Rafael Stone

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jim1961, Feb 13, 2024.

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  1. daywalker02

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    Sure but he is most likely not playing the best ball in the NBA......you only had to play 2 weeks for the World Cup though.
     
  2. Ankara1923

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    But we are talking about keeping him as a reserve at that time. I am not saying Denis is as good as FVV but the latter is not worth 8 times of Schroder.

    Anyway, he had a good season and signed for $13M/Year. He is not available for 2022 salary. FVV earns just 3.2 times what Denis earns at the moment.
     
  3. lakersuck2

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    C for me. He's been good recently but getting Oladipo in the Harden trade will never ever make sense. Also I'm tired of the PR statement cover your ass mentality. It's OK to admit your mistakes bro.
     
  4. htownfan_9210

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    3 years of Silas AAU ball resulted in JG, Jabari, and Amen.
     
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  5. Hemingway

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    For the millionth time FVV’s contract did nothing to affect our flexibility when we need it. We had to spend the money and it is expiring next year if we so choose. I’m not a fan of his game, but he was the best option we had by far without giving up flexibility and/or valuable assets. I hope he is a really high paid backup PG sometime next year. He did help Ime reset the culture. Brooks has exceeded all expectations and his recent hero ball antics should recede as our injured players get back on the court.
     
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  6. Nook

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    This.

    It is clear that Stone isn't a stupid man, and he does have an aptitude for talent evaluation. Some of that is that the Rockets have drafted high, but he also was very aggressive wanting Eason and he let his staff move up to get Sengun. So his evaluation of talent isn't limited to the top 3-5 in the draft.

    His asset usage/accumulation is mediocre. He is willing to trade for draft picks, but he also has failed to trade players at their peak value, he has often not maximized the draft picks he could get - and at times has been too liberal with trading draft picks for marginal deals.

    Free agency - again, mediocre. He has spent a lot of money on mediocre white centers.

    His biggest problem is that he doesn't really understand culture, he let his ego get involved and that is a mistake.

    Let's see how it goes over the next couple of years.
     
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  7. Ankara1923

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    Gentleman, I was just remarking a missed opportunity in Pre-FVV era.

    Otherwise I am positive that FVV-Dillon Brooks are "transition period salary fillers", they have no future in young core-6 constructed championship team.

    Denis played for around 2.5M in his Rockets days (Denis+Bruno+Kanter salaries were just match for Theis) and could be signed for 5 at that specific time. Certainly will be more useful than Landale/Bullock/Boban/Kaminsky/D. J. Augustine, Nix, Tate, KPJ,..

    He might be a threat to Stone&Silas' golden boy KPJ at that time and was not given any chance.

    He is the owner of Loewen Braunshweig, a German basketball league and hence much more experienced for handling young prospects.

    Again, it's not a comparison between Fred and Denis but questioning the FO how come not offer a certain amount to Denis but offering 8 times of that amount to Fred.
     
  8. PeterKingX

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    I select C because Stone gave up Jarret Allen like he is trash player.

    Imagine if we had Jarret Allen now...
     
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  9. Nook

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  10. Nook

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    He is a bad guy. I know a few years back I heard a number of guys around the league really disliked him. I highly doubt that has changed in a short period if time.
     
  11. meh

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    B-, which is basically an average/median grade back when I was in college. If you had asked me 3 years ago at the start of the rebuild what this team would look like 3 years later, this is about as middle of the road as an outcome can be. However, in another 2 years I'd say this grade would either go a lot higher or a lot lower, based on how our non-Sengun youngsters do. This can easily turn into an A if someone else on this roster turn into an all-star level player. Or a C if they all flop.
     
  12. daywalker02

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    He is a G until he is 70.

     
  13. topfive

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    I don't really understand this take. So the GM listened to one of the guys hired by the team for analysis, then made the necessary moves to acquire that player, and that's a bad thing?

    Isn't that exactly what you'd want from a good GM? Does he have to know everything about every player out there himself, rather than partially rely on his staff? So Witus said, "We gotta get this guy," and Stone trusted him enough to make it happen. That's a baller GM move right there.
     
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  14. daywalker02

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    Nah, they chose Stone over Witus very likely bc of seniority and bc Stone was in the starting hole for so long.

    The thing with Witus is that he should have taken the Monte McNair path, become independent, but he did not......he had all the talent to make it on his own.

     
  15. topfive

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    I'm not arguing over whether or not Witus should be the GM. Ferntits made the call to go with Stone instead, so that's done. I'm just saying that Stone heeding the advice provided to him by one of his paid analysts is not a negative. And I sincerely doubt that Stone was thinking Sengun would be a total bust anyway. Besides, the role of the GM is to gather input from his staff, then make the best decision, and in the case of Alpi, that's exactly what happened. That was an A+ move by Stone, giving up practically nothing to move up and draft someone his staff was high on.

    Some people here seem to think the GM is all alone on the team, analyzing everything and making these decisions with no input from anyone. As GM, Stone has the final say in most decisions, and as far as Sengun goes, he totally made the right call.
     
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    Stone was the guy who offered Oladipo a max deal, right? We dodged a huge bullet.
     
  17. daywalker02

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    That is fair but we do not know precisely what is going and unless we know it is one iota like speculation.

    For all I know Stone could just flat out bully his subordinates and 'steal their ideas' to claim it as his own.......

    Dude just drove over Silas because Silas got no back bone. The trust in him is not there for me because he is such a smug dude that likes to just neglect people around him.

     
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  18. rocketchamp

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    What are they though? Bc Dillon's been of the best 3&D guy in the nba for us. FVV has been huge in this team's surprising success on the court & off. He's part the reason your role model Sengun's having a solid season this year. I don't expect you to know any of the intangibles Dillon & FVV has brought. These signings have been incredible

    Having two quality free signings doesn't undo the bad ones either. 8m for Jock Landale? Boban? Theis? Nwaba? Christian Wood? Fernando? Easily more misses than hits. I love Tate and Tate at 8m is a stretch. He offered Oladipo a billion dollars too.


    Yeah this makes you look very bitter having to give Stone any credit. You'll give him credit for everything you deem mediocre, but with Sengun only his assistant gets praise? Pathetic lol. Either way Stone's the GM and also Eli's boss. Kudos for Stone putting us in position to get steals in the draft. He's also hired a great team. Great work
     
  19. jim1961

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    Maybe the guy who fired the bullet is the problem.
     
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  20. fryjol7

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    Does not have the leadership and skills required to take this organization to another level, which is what you need to be a champion. Few highlights on my notes and plays for his boss, not for the job.
     

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