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Governor Greg Abbott Calls for Constitutional Amendments Convention

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Commodore, Jan 8, 2016.

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  1. Mr. Clutch

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    Or we can just secede amirite
     
  2. tallanvor

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    I don't agree with that one either, but saying we would still have slavery today is wrong.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    He stated segregation, not slavery.
     
  4. Dairy Ashford

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    Sharecropping lasted well into the twentieth century, so the demand for large scale farm labor was still there. Several pockets of the South didn't have electricity until TVA and the New Deal so diversifying from or even partially automating large scale agriculture might not have been feasible. Subcontracting bonded labor to more profitable farming or construction and industrial projects would have allowed for more supplemental income. I guess one of the bigger questions is how or if Southern banks and estate/bankruptcy courts would have valued the assets.
     
  5. Commodore

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    Constraining the state with "the government shalt not" words are the most ineffective parts of the Constitution. Words can be ignored by executives and/or interpreted by judges to be gotten around (like when a judge declares that X right is not absolute).

    the most effective parts of the Constitution are those that distribute power, that empower one entity to check another

    This ability is lacking in two areas.

    One is the legislature's ability to check the executive branch. The only powers they have are the power of the purse, impeachment, and the veto override. These tools are either too blunt or too ineffective in an age of mass regulations and executive orders. Agencies and executives can issue thousand of pages of edicts/orders/rules/regulations/guidelines, and the legislature/courts can't keep up.

    The other area lacking is the states' ability to check the federal government. They have none, just the hope that the feds will abide by the 10th Amendment (they don't). The only power states have is the Article V convention itself (George Mason insisted on its inclusion for the very circumstances we have today).

    Both the federal legislature and the state legislatures need the ability to force a vote on any regulation (policy making was never intended to reside in the federal executive branch, but that is the case today).
     
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    Thanks
     
  7. Commodore

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    Abbott lays out proposal around 11:00 in this speech

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  8. tallanvor

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    It still obviously wrong.
     
  9. Raven

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    And you can also wish you win the lottery, since both have about the same chance of happening.
     
  10. Major

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    They do have that ability when they establish the agency and its powers. They can take away those powers any time they want. You don't want to believe it, but Congress specifically gives those agencies the power to make policy, mostly because it would be ludicrous for 500 people to try to vote on the tens of thousands of different issues that come up every year in a country with 300 million people.
     
  11. Buck Turgidson

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    I could never imagine that someone could come along so soon and make me reminisce on the days of Governor Rick Perry. Don't even get me started on our criminal Attorney General Paxton.

    As far as your convention goes, Commodore...good luck little skipper.
     
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    Why is it every so often republicants roll out some new version of the contract with america? They had a chance to balance the budget during the shrub years when they had the white house, congress and supreme court. But I guess that
    wasn't high on the to do list. Hell they even increased the federal government during that time.

    Same old gop bull, just a different year.
     
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    I thought Abbott was supposed to be the smart one. This is more a Costello move.
     
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  14. glynch

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    Abbott is concerned that the neo-confederates/racists, primitive Bible readers, immigrant bashers, elite folks pushing or dupes believing in econ 101/ trickle down , climate change deniers, gay haters, etc. have had their day.

    They hope to be able to hang on to their "values" in a few of the Southern mainly southern states plus Idaho and Utah etc. without the Constitution or the overwhelming beliefs of the rest of the country interfering with their right wing wet dream.

    And believe it or not he sees the hapless Dubya and like Phil Gram and the benighted "oops" Perry thinks why can't I be president some day, so how can I make myself look like a contender.
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  15. Rashmon

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    Sounds like Abbott is getting his legal advice from that wiz AG Paxton.

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  16. Bobbythegreat

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    I don't see why you guys hate Abbott so much, don't you know that he's a centrist? He's actually to the left of John Kerry, in fact he's right about where Nancy Pelosi is politically.


    I dunno, I really liked that "Obama is a Republican" nonsense in the other thread, thought I'd try out something similar here.
     
  17. peleincubus

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    i think they should take 50% of the delegates in proportion to the ratio of votes for a state, not a winner take all delegates.

    i presume that more people would vote in states like cali/NY/texas/ where the outcome is already decided every election.
     
  18. Cold Hard

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    This is just posturing by Abbott. He knows that none of this has any chance of happening.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    How do we get stuck with idiots like this as governor?

    DD
     
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  20. Haymitch

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    Personally I'm for abolishing the Constitution. But that won't happen.

    As for these...

    I could be for those. Or at least, not passionately against.
     

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