[Gossip] T-Mac in trade talks; Involves Kevin Martin and Nocioni

Don't like it. No deal. Martin is soo injury prone, it's not even funny. And NO cioni.

 

Not gonna happen. At least not any time soon. I'm positive that Morey and Company want to see how T-Mac does on this come back before shipping him out. You know T-Mac wants to play this year. Sitting out the whole year could mess up his new contract value for next season.

 

The only thing I don't like about it, is we really could use a big instead of another wing.

Camby and Biedrens would be my first two targets.

DD

 

It makes total sense for Sac to do it. They get rid of a hefty contract now that they have a "future star" rookie to build around, therefore Kevin is not needed.

Noicioni is becoming a nusance that carries another heavy contract that they want off the books. There's another expendable piece.

This seems like a good trade for the Kings but would the Rockets benefit anymore from just keeping Tracy's contract?

Lately Martin has been struggling with health issues but who's to say that Tracy returns to elite status, besides himself , and who's to say that we get anything better offered in return.

I'm thinking Morey will have to think about this one long and hard before anything goes in the books. We will see....

They would both be a great fit in our system although. That is a positive.

 

Morey has always said that he is after a superstar player and sometimes you don't look at the deal, but what flexibility the deal gives you to get a better deal.

This type of deal breaks up Tmac's contract and gives you more tradeable pieces to make the follow up deal.

DD

 

I support this trade idea.

Get it done Morey.

 

Luxury Tax and Salary cap are 2 different things. The NBA has a soft cap. Teams can go over the salary cap with exceptions(Mid Level Exception, Bi-Annual Exception, Larry Bird Exception). Luxury Tax is not a charge for being over the salary cap, it's a different limit that's set at the end of the season. The luxury tax is $69.92 mil, while the salary cap is $57.7 mil.

Trade exceptions are created when a higher salary player is traded for a lower salary player on a team with cap space. Cap space is the difference between the team salary and the salary cap.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/07/07/salarycap.ap/index.html

 

That's true. We need big guys, especially centers. But Biedrins is injured as well.

 

I've been posting about this trade for a few months now. The Kings are in need to cut cost any way they can. There's a big chance they could be relocating within a year or so.

One of the reasons why Martin is so "injury-prone" is mainly because he has to do soo much for the team to win. I think you get him in a better system, like the Rockets, you'll see a different player.

The downside of this trade is the Rockets need to pick up a big man. I know the Kings aren't going to trade either of their bigs but we really don't need another Wing. Unless the Rockets can flip that wing for something else around the trading deadline.

 

We are paper thin at the 2-3 positions.

This trade gets us two players that play on the wing and are quality NBA rotation players. I think it's a no brainer.

I would be even more interested if we could somehow 3 way and move K-Mart for another more defensive and NOT injury prone player at the 2 but this would work for me as is.

Problem is, I look across the league and there aren't many players at the 2 that would be worth K-Mart. There is a reason people keep bringing up trades for Stephen Jackson, there aren't that many 2G out there that have any chance of coming to the rockets. Not any that we might want anyway. Look through the league and you start feeling pretty good about K-Mart, I just hate the injury history. IMO K-Mart is at least a more trade-able asset than TMac if nothing else.

 

KEVIN MARTIN IS NOT AN UPGRADE OVER MCGRADY!!!!!!!

 

If this deal has legs, I don't think those players would stay on our roster for long. And the reason why...

...Morey has looked at past champions. Each of the NBA champions had at least two stars, the Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, Bulls, etc with strong role players. That is, except for Detroit, whose starters were all above average.

This is the year that many stars can be had. We want one of those players, we need one of those players.

I think that if we made this trade for Martin and Nocioni, Morey has his eyes on Bosh in the long run. Toronto needs a wing like Martin who can score, and Nocioni is tough and foreign (which Toronto loves). If we make this trade, it's only so we can move them and possibly Scola for another player, like...Bosh.

In fact, I think he's only had his eye on Bosh in the past few years. A good defender, a rebounder, a big that can space the floor because he hits the occasional three and is good at the long two, he can run the floor, can play either C or PF, and this Morey-esque stat: He's only behind Melo in number of foul shots. Which means that he's causing other team's big men to foul him. And they're sitting on the bench because of it.

Who is our competition the next few years in the West? Lakers, Denver, Spurs, and Portland in the immediate future, OKC somewhere out there. The Lakers and Blazers especially have bigs that can kill us, that is, unless they aren't on the floor. Bosh is the great equalizer, I think.

He's who Morey is gunning for, I think, and he'll get him in the end, I think.

 

So....why the heck are jumping all over me and my post? I did make any suggestion either. I didnt say I approve or disapprove of this trade. I simply said Martin is hurt and out for 6-8 weeks. It's AMAZING how you think T-Mac will get you any of those young and upcoming players or star player w/o proving a darn thing yet. And if you are going to make a suggestion, make it a realistic or possible one.

 

I'm all game for trading mcgrady and I do like martin, but I wouldn't do that deal. If 17m is the target money wise and we need players, I might rather go for Deng in chicago and james expring for more flexibility. Its no secret that chicago is going to make a run for Wade this summer. If the rox can get deng and get hinrich involved in a 3way to go to another team, I might try that. Deng has had some of the some injury issues as well, but he plays well in motion, is a good defender, and played pretty well in the playoffs..

 

This might have been talked about on the two sides (the Rockets trading with Sacramento and Memphis; seems like there's a comfort zone, and Adelman knows the Kings players), but whether it happens is another story.

I would think Kenny Thomas would be included so we'd have some financial wiggle room.

And how serious is Kevin Martin's wrist problem? Or not at all?

And if we took Nocioni, what to do with the excess of 3's and 4's, even if two of them have to play center?

Sacramento would do the deal to make themselves attractive to another buyer, or to another city.

Houston would get a near All-Star "2", but keeping him healthy, there's the trick.

 

This trade would make it easier to get Biedrins($9 mil) or Camby($10 mil). McGrady's $22.5 mil contract is too large to trade for either player without forcing the Clippers and Golden State to include another $10 mil in trade fillers.

Nocioni($7.5 mil) and Martin($10.2 mil) would match up very closely, since would be within 120% of Camby or Biedrins salaries.

 

agreed

 

A scorer that scores effectively. I like it. And maybe it will make Ariza work harder on his defense, he is just slacking it off as he wants to go 20 every game.

But what will it make out of the rotation? There will be a glut of players on the 2/3/4. As rox basically traded 2 non-playing for a starter and rotation player. And rox is still paper thin on the Point and Center.

 

Chicago will have enough space to sign LeBron without losing Deng.

 

I think if the Hornets continue to struggle, we could possibly get CP3 for T-Mac. I think we should wait this out, until closer towards NBA Black Friday. Some deals may look good now, but they're nothing compared to NBA Black Friday (trade deadline).