[Gossip] T-Mac in trade talks; Involves Kevin Martin and Nocioni

Jesus this 3 day break seems like a mini off season...

Long ass ****.

 

Lol, too bad Houston is leaning democratic now. Yao for Hawes and Martin is good enough for me.

 

First of all, no the Kings were never a topic of a franchise being sold. If they were, it is something I don't know about. It was the Arena issue.
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Yeah, the Kings are under the cap. And they'll be in a great position this off-season when Kenny Thomas and Shareef Abdul-Rahim are off the books for a combined total of ~$15 million. I have no idea why Mikki Moore is still on the payroll, but then again I'm no expert on NBA contracts.

Taking T-Mac in would be a great choice because if he doesn't work out, I think the Kings will be wide open in terms of being able to pick up free agents, although I don't that anyone would be wanting to come to Sacramento because 1) we have a young team 2) noob coach 3) arena issues 4) small market.

For the Rockets, I think it would be a great decision too, especially of Yao were healthy. Martin is familiar with Adelman and should fit right in.

 

that's why i advocate this trade too. not the greatest trade, but i think kevin martin or a player of his caliber is the best we can hope for in a tmac trade.

like you, i wish hawes would be in instead but the kings won't trade him. he's a decent scorer, but what i like best is his ability to pass on the high post (perfect for adelman).

but like i said, if we do get kmart, he has massive weaknesses that others have to work hard to cover when he's on the court. his defense is worse than a one-legged mcgrady.

 

Heres Hollingers write ups for those un-familiar with thier games:

Martin

2008-09 season: Martin missed 31 games with ankle problems and wasn't totally healthy in many of the ones he played. Somehow he averaged 24.6 points a game anyway and once again did it with stunning efficiency. Martin's TS percent topped 60 for the fourth straight season, and he managed it this time despite being the go-to scorer on a team with few credible secondary options.

Martin shot 41.5 percent on 3s while taking a third of his shots from distance, but he still earned over 10 free-throw attempts per game. The latter figure is amazing in light of his thin build, giving him the highest rate of free-throw attempts per field goal attempt among shooting guards and helping him place second in TS percent.

Martin didn't fare so well when he wasn't drawing fouls, however. He shot only 42.3 percent on 2-point shots, partly because he had to force so many at the end of the shot clock, and slumped to 36.4 percent on long 2s. He didn't make life any easier for his less talented teammates either. Martin had the second-worst pure point rating among shooting guards and needs to see the floor better when he drives.

Scouting report: Martin has never been a good defender, and playing on a bad ankle for a team going nowhere last season made him a particularly bad one. He had more trouble than usual moving laterally and stopping penetration, and his largely invisible weak-side defense became even more so. The Kings were already a terrible defensive team, but they managed to be 4.5 points per 100 possessions worse with Martin on the court.

Offensively, Martin's scoring ability is impressive, and perhaps underutilized. He's a tremendous catch-and-shoot threat despite an odd release in which he leans to his left and pulls the ball off his hip, and at 6-7 he can get the shot off over closing defenders. Because defenders have to play him so close and he has so many head and shot fakes that get them up in the air, he draws fouls as often as any perimeter player in basketball.

Martin also is a strong driver who makes quick moves to the basket from either side. His skill as a penetrator should enable him to find some teammates for easy buckets, but at this point the pass has stopped being an option the second he puts the ball on the floor.

2009-10 outlook: With two good wheels and unquestioned go-to status, Martin is at the right age and right time to enjoy the best season of his career. While he'll have difficulty keeping his TS percent in such exalted territory for a fifth straight season given the constant attention he's likely to receive from opposing defenses, Martin should have no problem replicating last season's scoring average and is a dark horse threat to lead the league in scoring.

If so, he may have two other pieces of recognition forthcoming: a trip to the All-Star Game or, more likely, a long-overdue invitation to the league's 3-point contest. His team's near-total invisibility on the national landscape will hurt him in both pursuits, but his numbers could be too good to ignore.

Nocioni:

2008-09 season: Nocioni toned down the shoot-every-time mentality that defined his previous season, but it didn't seem to improve his accuracy much. While he shot a career-best 39.9 percent on 3s, he slumped to 37.7 percent on long 2s after shooting in the high 40s the previous three seasons. He still ranked 20th among small forwards in TS percent, but since he wasn't setting up anyone else (55th in pure point rating) and wasn't shooting with great frequency, his PER suffered.

Nocioni rated 11th among small forwards in rebound rate and lived up to his rep as one of the league's most physical forwards by fouling once every 7.6 minutes; only one small forward fouled more often. Of course, perhaps "small forward" is a misnomer. Even though it's his natural position, the Bulls most often used Nocioni as a small-ball power forward before a midseason trade to Sacramento, and that got him into trouble defensively.

Scouting report: Nocioni is one of the league's toughest players, but that toughness often crosses the line in overly physical fouls that make him one of the league's least popular players. He doesn't pick up flagrant fouls because he never quite goes over the line, and Sacramento welcomed his physical style on a squad that is otherwise one of the softest in basketball.

Offensively he has a shoot-first mentality, looking to either catch and shoot a long jumper from the corners or put it on the floor to attack the rim. He runs the floor fairly well and can burn opposing big men as a pick-and-pop power forward, but the latter arrangement comes at a cost. Nocioni is a natural three who gives up inches and pounds to opposing fours, and while he battles inside, he picks up fouls by the bushel and doesn't rebound well enough to play the position full-time.

Nocioni has some trouble with small, quick threes who can beat him off the dribble, but he challenges shots, moves fairly well and is a strong team defender who takes charges.

2009-10 outlook: Nocioni will either start or serve as the Kings' sixth man. Regardless, he's going to play a ton of minutes, and based on the gaping hole in the Kings' frontcourt, the vast majority of them will likely be at the power forward spot. That's good news for him offensively, as he's always had an easier time getting free on the perimeter when he's playing the four. His physicality translates well there even if his height doesn't, though fouls may cost him some minutes.

Whether starter or sub, don't be surprised if he regains a bit of his offensive mojo and his scoring rate reverts to a point every two minutes. He won't rebound like a power forward, but he'll have value as a combo forward who can score. And with four years and $29 million left on a contract the Kings would prefer to be rid of, a good start might yield enough value to get him to a contender by the trade deadline.

 

hell throw in evans with martin then we got a trade

Martin has lots of potential and can shoot the ball. Noicioni could be solid in our system and can also knock down some 3s. I would love this trade of Kmart didnt have the damn health issues. But I would still pull the trigger it would make the Rockets one of the most exciting teams in the NBA.

AB / KL
KMART / CBud
Ariza / Battier / Noicioni
Scola / Landry
Hayes / Anderson

 

I have a feeling that Jermaine Taylor's name will be turned in Chase Budinger if this goes down. I hope I'm wrong...

 

I seem like the only one thinks this trade is not good for the Rockets... if we consider both players equally hampered by injuries, then Tmac is infinitely more versatile and useful on both ends of the court. And NOcioni, is just ew.

 

Nocioni's contract sucks. That would be my only reservation.

SAR is still on the books for around 6.6 million, but he's an expiring contract that would be thrown in to make the salaries work.

For those that aren't high on Kevin Martin and are calling him one-dimensional, I understand where you all are coming from, but the Rockets need offense and Martin is an elite scorer.

I don't think Hawes is going to be available either, but negotiate and play hardball with the Kings and get Jason Thompson thrown in as part of the deal instead of Nocioni. I'd throw in a future 1st rounder (not this year's pick though) to get this deal done. It would fill two glaring needs:

You get an elite scorer and a young center who's almost averaging a double-double to back-up Yao and help reduce his mpg. Even without Nocioni, Kings might still do it for cap relief. They'll save 12 million next season with this deal, but the Rockets might have to include a future first round pick to sweeten the deal and compensate for not taking on Nocioni's crappy contract. I would still probably do the deal with Nocioni included as well.

 

This is a dumb idea unless Morey does it. His track record and being that he would know more details than us thereby would justify the trade.

 

I thought the Kings needed a PF desperately, im surprised they didnt ask for a big.

 

bosh/amare, the PFs agents of 2010. they'll let tmac go and hopefully be in contention for a big free agent to team up with the potential star evans.

 

well martin would be a true SG. not sure how Noc would fit. i guess playing him at the 4 and scola/landry at the 5 could work.

 

Kevin Martin ? No,No,No!!!

 

I think anyone who is demanding either Hawes or Thompson be sent along with Martin for McGrady is extremely overrating T-Mac's value right now. That deal will NOT happen. At the core of the Kings' long-term plan for the future is youth, and both of those big guys are apart of this future. They were both first round picks, 10th and 12th, I believe, and I doubt we'd send a 20-23 year old big along with a 26 year old guard for a 29 year old McGrady. It just doesn't compute.

I want McGrady on the Kings, though. He's the type of player that would thrive if he were the sole star of the team. He'd do his best to be interviewed and receive recognition for taking a team of "scrubs" to the 1st round

 

where is Kenny Thomas?

Rocket River

 

Did RA coach martin in Sac?

 

yeah, nvm. i take back what i said. this is a stupid trade. rather have tmac.

i don't like nocioni and martin seems like someone who takes way too many shots. this is being really optimistic but hopefully tmac comes back to somewhat of what he used to be, and we just resign him for around 9-10mil? (not sure if thats possible).

 

Holy crap Kenny Thomas is still alive?!?!

Looking deeper, if they swapped Martin/Nocionni for McGrady they would only have ~20 million in committed salary for next year. With Hawes, Evans, a lottery pick and money to get two all star caliber players....the Kings could have a solid plan in the works.

 

If i am rockets manager, i will not do this trade.
martin injury issue is not better than tmac and have large contract...