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GOP mulls ending birthright citizenship, Mexican barrier

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Svpernaut, Nov 4, 2005.

  1. thadeus

    thadeus Member

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    I think we should just completely throw open the border, on two conditions;

    1. Mexico accepts the U.S. Dollar as its standard currency.

    2. Mexico agrees to abide by U.S. labor laws, and U.S. labor laws are actually enforced in the U.S.

    I can't see how this could do anything but make things better.
     
  2. insane man

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    how else should it be determined?
     
  3. glynch

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    I could not have been happier when I read this. It is nice having the GOP unmasked as the political home for radical racists, an important part of their coalition. Often they are slick about these affairs.

    I guess it is true what I have seen speculated about that the GOP is planning to substitute or add increased focus on immigrant bashing for abortion as their latest attempt to get the working class to vote GOP and against their own economic interests.
     
  4. geeimsobored

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    Hell if you're going to go that far.. why not just make mexico another state and force them to pay taxes.

    Because not giving citizenship is just arbitrary. Because your parents happened to be born here as opposed to mine which were born in another country, you deserve citizenship and I don't. I'm as American as you are but I guess I wouldn't qualify. I don't mind restricting birthright citizenship and qualifying it but to ban it entirely seems absolutely unfair. So presidents have to be white then? because we immigrants are just not qualified to do anything in government. Not to mention if you ban birthright citizenship, my kids still couldn't get American passports even though their parents mightve lived here for a generation. Banning birthright citizenship in other countries was primarily a tool to create an underclass labor population of guest workers in the Middle East and Western Europe by denying them some basic rights. Congrats on joining that class of countries.
     
  5. hitman1900

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    Yeah right, like any big business would support something like this. They make billions off of the sweat and blood of illegal immigrants.

    What are the people supporting this trying to do anyway, make some sort of "Aryan" race?
     
  6. HayesStreet

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    LOL. :)

    Its my split personality: domestic liberal -> foreign policy hawk :D
     
  7. insane man

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    as much as it pains me to say this...thats classic democrat.
     
  8. wizkid83

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    Is it wrong for me to all of a sudden have incredible amount of respect for Haye? Gonna have to take a bath now :)
     
  9. thadeus

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    Great idea, but it would be better to just have Mexico keep the states it already has, and add each of those states to the Union.
     
  10. NewYorker

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    The should definitely build a wall to keep out illegals.

    As for the whole birthright debate.

    I think if both the parents are here legally - yeah, the kid gets citizenship.

    The exceptions should be if you are here without a visa. If you are in the states illegally - and you have a baby here - well, you and your baby should get deported.
     
  11. Invisible Fan

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    Before 9/11, Bush and Vincente Fox was very close to an amnesty plan for the illegals already here.

    As for some of your other points-
    Corporate reaction to illegal immigrants...
     
  12. apostolic3

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    Very well said.
     
  13. HayesStreet

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    Yes, its wrong. You should have had an incredible amount of respect for me a long time ago. :D

    Not sure if that's a compliment but since there's pain involved I'll assume not! :( I prefer to think of the mix as being classic 'independent.' :)
     
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  14. Patience

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    "compassionate conservatism"

    It seems ironic that so many are absolutist about the purity of our border and citizenship, when we Texans all reside in what was a former part of Mexico that was essentially taken by force.
     
  15. mateo

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    You mock now, but when those Bugs come...you'll be singing a different tune.
     
  16. HayesStreet

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    Lol, I got no love for the Bugs. :D
     
  17. NewYorker

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    It's not the purity of the border, it's about the quality of our lives.

    When liberals finally begin to understand what conservatism really means, perhaps they will understand what it means to be wise.

    Liberals would give away everything we have and let us starve. They would give away all our jobs, hand over all our land - all in the name of pity for people. If it were up to you, 10's of millions of people would flood into this country. Not only would you say it's just, but then you'd want us to pay for their health care and welfare as well.

    Sorry, I feel bad for those in poor countries, but I work too hard to give out handouts by your dictation. Why don't you go get some illegal immigrants and let them live in your home????
     
  18. insane man

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    as is typical you throw out words without any facts.

    the fact is that the high point of the average american came in the late 60s after years of democratic or at least 'liberal' economic control. nixon for all practical purposes in terms of domestic policy wasn't all that conservative. people at the time had the highest standard of living. and you know why? because of labor.

    and conservatives need to get a heart. instead of being selfish (as seen from the above disdain at providing welfare/healthcare) maybe they can reach that religious side and do what god would want them to do. which sure as hell aint letting ill people die and poor people go hungry.
     
  19. NewYorker

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    Exactly my point - we have enough poor and ill to take care of to let people run here to add to the burden. Geez, why do you want to make America a third world country?
     
  20. HayesStreet

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    It hasn't even been established that they ARE a burden. Wouldn't that be important to do BEFORE assuming so?
     

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