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GOP Bets on Black Conservatives

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jiggyfly, Feb 14, 2022.

  1. dobro1229

    dobro1229 Member

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    I totally agree. But the GOP campaign messaging isn't tailored to speak to the African American version of that message that matters to them. Now there is ONE GOP latino running for Texas AG I think that did a good job of tying in a 2nd generation Hispanic vantage point of an immigration horror story, but most of the messages of white redneck looking & sounding dudes on ATV's with a fence in the background.

    Tomorrow night I think is when there are a few shows on ABC like Blackish on in primetime. I'll have to make an effort to see what ads run in those timeslots to see if they are the same I'm seeing when I watch the local news. I see the George P Bush one all the time as well as a few others like Dan Patrick, and Abbott and it's a love letter to rednecks IMO.

    So you are right that there are certainly conservative black and Hispanic people out there that could be winnable votes for the GOP, but my point is on their strategy to win which is less about them, and more about people that look like me or especially my wife. Their strategist probably assumes on paper I'm MAGA till I die.
     
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  2. Nook

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    Agreed..... but the Republican Party is virtually unrecognizable as well. I think we are seeing traditional voting blocks feeling things out and beginning to make changes based on the changing of the parties. I don't know what the long term fall out will be, but in the short term we will see some odd outcomes potentially.... certain minority stronghold voting blocks for the Democrats weaken, and possibly the GOP losing suburban voters to the Democrats.
     
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  3. subtomic

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    The highlighted part is worth noting because the social issues that are mentioned in the article (anti-LGBTQ, anti-abortion) are almost entirely held by older voters. For example, the polls cited in this article indicate that support for abortion among black Americans (both Democrats and non-Democrats) is growing:

    https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/318932/black-americans-abortion.aspx

    The same article indicates that black American church attendance for black Democrats and non-Democrats both declined by 10% between 2007 and 2017. That's a pretty good indicator that opposition to gay marriage is likely declining as well.

    Granted, this article is a year old and it's always possible these trends have slowed or reversed.

    School choice is an interesting issue - given the history of black public schools getting the short end of funding, I can see why many black parents like the idea of choice. But is this an issue that will get them to vote Republican? There's an equally high percentage (70%) of overall Democrats who support school choice. There's more breakdown here:

    https://www.federationforchildren.org/new-poll-school-choice-support-at-all-time-high/

    Finally, there's this comment in the article

    The so-called conservative points here are not really unique to Republicans, or even really conservative. Nobody on either side supports excessive taxation or opposes law and order, entrepreneurialism, or the merit principle. The differences in the two parties are how they address the issues of taxation, law and order, the economy and general fairness in our society.

    Really, the only truly conservative value he lists here is small government but given the current GOP's "drown all government in the bathtub" attitude, I don't know if their concept of small is really aligned with most voters of any ilk.

    In any case, the efforts by Republican to court black voters should definitely remind Democrats that (a) they can't take black voters for granted and (b) they need to improve their messaging (an all-too common action item for the party) so that black voters understand how Democrat policies help them.
     
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  4. subtomic

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    How so - on what issues have they pivoted?
     
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  5. jiggyfly

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    That thing you quoted is really telling if Republicans could turn down the MAGA and racist rhetoric they could have a stranglehold on politics, if they actually followed "the blueprint" **** would be really rocky for democrats.

    The truth is there is a real conservative streak running through most minority communities but Republicans always go back to the base.
     
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  6. dobro1229

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    Yeah this didn't make much sense to me at all. BBB is basically The Great Society 2.0 which was basically The New Deal 2.0.

    When Bernie came onto the scene in 15 and really became the driving policy force in the party he was really just bringing the party back to it's FDR roots. The only real deviation came in the 90's with Clinton when the party reacted to the Reagan revolution, and Clinton adopted more of what was popularized back economically which had to be rectified with Obama and now Biden with some more working class progressive economic policy.

    I think the biggest criticism is actually that they haven't changed enough. They need to be more bold, and not so reactionarily safe when the other party is operating on another set of rules entirely.
     
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  7. Amiga

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    Not sure how is this different than the 'black for Trump' push by Trump and Republicans in 2018-2020? And even in 2015-16? Those include -

    - New voter suppression of black and dem leaning voters (nothing new but the 2021 election result is a wakeup call to do more)
    - Voter suppression of black via targeted social media (2016 election)
    - Promoting black celebrity for Trump ((2018+ for 2021 election)

    Some here (especially that coward that ran away from the losing bet) was pretty adamant that Trump will win a huge share of the black votes. He did improve to 12% in '20 from 8% in '16 but that is roughly about the same as 11% from Bush in 2004, and not too far from the 10% avg black vote for GOP over the last 40 years.

    As long as the GOP keeps trying to suppress black voters and some of their policies (and supporters include media) alienate black voters, they can try and try, but it's going to be a very tough sale.
     
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  8. Rocket River

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    The Reality is . . . The winning strategy is simply not motivating the Black Voter
    They don't have to go after the black vote. . . they simply have to not do or say some **** that will motivate them to go out and vote against them.
    While some will think this is . . .. . .kind of dopey
    It is kind of how BETO could have won Texas *IF* he did not go out and make Anti Gun his tentpole.
    He literally motivated the people to go vote against him - Which is why he cannot win

    The Democrats need to motivate black people to go out and vote for them
    and they ain't doing it
    Low Black Vote turnout is a win for Republicans . .. which is why they make sure to supress the vote at every turn

    Rocket River
     
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  9. pgabriel

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    Which party will the Republicans lose voters to?
     
  10. JuanValdez

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    Probably the most common reaction for the disaffected white supremacist voter is to declare all parties stooges and not vote (in elections where Trump isn't on the ballot, perhaps). They could also join the American Freedom Party or the National Justice Party or other fringe parties, which is just as good as not voting.
     
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    Isn't it better for black americans if both parties are courting their vote? What if you had the ability to vote for either party and not feel like doing so set back a racial demographic?
     
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    Yeah, that would be great. If only.
     
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  13. Rocket River

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    Maybe
    But one party offers you nothing
    The other offers you heartache
    -- At Every turn they show you how little they care about you . . . .the other at every turn appears to attempt to hurt you on purpose

    At this point. . . most black people just want to be left alone
    Get you hostile invaders called police out of an already hostile situation
    Take your sh!tty Curriculum and let us teach our own kids
    Stop ONLY giving loans to outsiders for our communities

    Honestly . .. if seperate but equal was truly equal. . .. .we would be just fine
    Integration was the greatest bait and switch of all time . . .and has proven to be problematic in alot of ways

    Rocket River
     
  14. Rocket River

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    Simply **** happens
    GOP is all about Gun Rights
    but were sooo silent on Philando Castile - because he was not the "right kind of " gun owner
    and those type of hypocrazinesses happen all the time
    Where the espouse one thing . .. until it happens to someone that is black or minority .
    then it is deafening silence .

    Which means. . .they don't mean what they say
    the simply mean it as a means to suppress, and subjugate black people
    Remember . . . originally GUN CONTROL was THEIR IDEA . . .until it was used on THEM
    It was only suppose to be for controlling guns in those Black Panther's hands
    (see Ronnie RayGun)

    Rocket River
     

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