I'd rather have him than James White. He is big, a pretty good rebounder and has a decent jumper. We need size badly and he can play center.
Actually, you're wrong. Gooden's PER in the last 4 years: 19.77, 17.67, 16.59, 13.89. Also, the scouting report on Gooden from John Hollinger: Don't forget that Gooden was picked 4th overall, but traded partway through his rookie season despite decent numbers, and then traded two more times in the next two years. There is definitely something coaches don't like about him. So I agree with previous posters, I don't think he's enough of an upgrade over Scolandry feat. Hayes.
You quoted me twice, but your post only covered one thing, and that's that he makes mental errors. He's far from being sucking and definitely hasn't faded away, which is what I was primarily replying to. And PER doesn't mean much, it favors do it all players like Lebron and CP, wade, etc. Gooden doesn't benefit from it because he's mostly a rebounder and a decent scorer, and that's about it, which compared to someone like Dwight who scores, rebounds, blocks shots at a high rate, he's never going to measure up. Also, his decreasing PER is a result of him adjusting to being more of a role player, and when your stats drop, your PER drops, but the one constant has always been his rebounding.
you sir are wrong...do you wonder why he was released from cavs and bulls...he thinks he's an all star and takes too many dumb shots dumb idea pass on gooden
where did u get he was released from the bulls and cavs?? He was traded. Not all players that are traded have something wrong with him. Perhaps his bad decision making makes teams more likely to include him in trades, but it's not like they're passing around Kwame Brown here. Gooden is a legit player. I'm not claiming he's a great player, but anyone who argues he sucks has been drinking too much.
I didn't say he sucked, and to be fair, he has been hurt. And you're right, his rebounding is a constant. That said, we already have guys that can rebound fairly well at that position, a better scorer (Scola) and a better defender (Hayes) and a better athlete (Landry), so I just don't see why we'd sign him. I also don't see why I'm still arguing, he's definitely not coming here so who cares? haha.
I was more referring to redundancy. Landry happens to be my favorite player on the team, so I wouldn't suggest waiving him. As far as rose-colored glasses and Hayes, we've all been down this road before. Morey, Van Gundy, and probably Adelman to an extent would agree that Gooden would not improve the team at all if the expense is Hayes. Our team is good enough now where Hayes gets spot minutes in situations where his defense is necessary, so he's not a liability like he used to be. He's a good bench piece. If only we could drop Cook for Gooden somehow I would consider it... but even then i'd only be mildly excited.
It's what happens when other people post nonsense, two guys who had nothing to do with it end up arguing, you never said he sucked and i never said i wanted him to come here over scola/landry, we're practically arguing other people's posts
I thought about this also. I would give the rox another big. The 2nd unit is sooo small and not that Stro is big, but if Yao gets in foul trouble against La, I would rather have him behind yao than scolandry or hayes. I would rather have scolandry split mins at the 4 and a guy like stro behind yao. Hey, that's me though.
As a friend of mine always tells me: Never argue (formal term as opposed to quarrel) with a true believer. Hence, I will not try to sway you if you really don't believe Rockets management would, all things being equal, leap at the chance to exchange Chuck Hayes (or Brian Cook) for Gooden. I will restate that the cap makes all of these speculations academic.
Fair enough. I've been as critical as anyone about Chuck Hayes, but I just don't see Gooden's value as the roster is currently constructed, I guess. Maybe I'm not familiar enough with him or something.
It won't happen but I would love to have Gooden on this team. Especially over Dorsey. It's like hmmm....would you rather have a non-NBA talent with little future in the league or a talented player putting up Scola numbers in a "down year"? But I digress.
He would be redundant on this team. Three years ago he would have been a nice pickup. He can still be a difference maker on the right team though.
What I think you're overlooking is Gooden at 6'10", 250 lbs is entirely capable of playing minutes at center which would be a nice insurance option for the playoffs in this unlikely scenario. Gooden would likely never go for that though, plus teams like Cleveland can offer a lot more cash than we can.
Exactly, He would be a nice pickup then. We have guys who do what he does. Building a team isn't grabbing the most talented guys, it's about putting pieces together. Your Post-Defenders, that's a piece. Drew Gooden is not that. We have a problem guarding finesse PFs sometimes. Some times neither Scola or Landry can guard them, and when that time comes Hayes comes in handy and does his job. He'd be good as a Backup center, but it seems that RA doesn't want a backup center...since Deke was supposed to be that but Adelman rather go small so I don't see a spot for him here. Hopefully he goes to Cleveland, the Spurs do not need to get any better.
