Well if you are not going to allow JVG to build the team that he thinks can win then we need to fire him now. If he is still going to be the coach with no concreat plans to fire him then we need to let him do his job.
Hey you guys know that him saying "This is it" "I'm outta here" could just mean he's off for the Summer. Hell, I say that when I leave work!
Considering he did more with Rudy's team than Rudy was able to do, he's done what he was brought in for.
...and worse offense. ...2 more games, with a better team. ...again, with a better team. I really don't think he was brought in for what would have been accomplished anyway. If Le$ was told, "you can get from 43 to 45 wins if you fire a legend", I don't think he would have done it.
1) he didn't do more - winning 2 more games with an experienced Yao Ming is not 'more'. It's actually less. 2) he didn't have "Rudy's team". He had things Rudy did not have, notably, a) a Yao Ming that was already broken in, stronger, and used to the NBA game, and b) a training camp with a better Yao Ming. When Yao Ming is first team all-nba and an MVP candidate in a few years, will you still be saying "Rudy could only win 43 with this guy"?
dude, it's a whole hell-of-alot more info then you're giving us. i mean, damn! doc actually tells us what stevie was saying after game 5 and how stevie himself said that he doesnt think he'll be around next season and you dont consider that significant inside info?!? tell you what..... you go give us some better, more credible inside info and i'll let you slide. otherwise..... shut up.
1) He did do more. The "experienced" Yao Ming was negated my Francis's horrible year. If you credit his season to the success of one player, you have to factor in the bad play of another. Of course it's JVG's fault Steve played so bad, but not RT's fault that Yao Ming didn't play better? You make it sound like Yao's numbers had a significant increase. Did you happen to factor in Eddie Griffin not playing for JVG and for Rudy? Probably not 2) He did have Rudy's team. For the most part, it was all of the players Rudy hand picked for his system. JVG had to try to turn them into a diff. type of player, with some success (Cato) and failure (Francis). He did have things Rudy didn't have though. Eddie Griffin and Posey, though Posey could be negated by the play of JJ (Sorry ZRB). In a few years when we are competiting for/winning championships, are you still gonna say "Rudy would've done it better because he's a legend." Let it go. EDIT: What makes Rudy a legend? Because he won 2 championships? Because he played for the Rockets all his career? Because he said "Never underestimate the heart of a champion!" ? Hell, Bush had some good one-liners in his speeches, maybe he can be a legend. RT was a good coach during his time, but he isn't a legend. Legend isn't something I generally toss around. Hakeem is a legend, RT, IMO, is not.
with all the new bodies in town, you'd have to say making the playoffs was an achievement. You can't just throw a team together and win. Yet VG did it.
You guys have got to stop living in the past, what Rudy did in his day was great for City. But that's over with. If you don't adapt to the environment you will become exinct.
When will you let it go? Rudy is gone. You're always the first one to place the blame of Francis' decline on JVG, yet he doesn't get credit for Yao's improvement? As far as this being Rudy's team, how is it not? It's even less than Rudy's team with the subtraction of key parts in Griffin and Posey/Thomas. And as far as Yao's development, do you honestly think he would have received as many touches as he did were it not for JVG reigning the guards in? I saw no indication of it in 2002-2003. Most reports were that Rudy had lost the team. It was time for him to go. And now he is gone. No coach survives 4 lottery seasons. It was time for a change. Rudy didn't have control over his players and his system was a joke. They were stuck in mud, dwelling in mediocrity, heading nowhere fast, whatever you want to call it. I could go on but out of respect for the man, I'll stop.
Who said we just threw a team together? SF-Cat-MoT-Cato has already been together for 4+ years. We didn't add an any new bodies (except JJ) that would make a difference. Pike/Padgett didn't even play that much.
I think you're horribly simplifying the whole 'bring back Rudy thing'. Read further back. It's more of a right guy for a future time argument. Not a JVG sucks take.
J. Posey/K. Thomas/E. Griffin/M. Norris/G. Rice > J. Jackson/E. Piatkowski/A. Griffin/C. Weatherspoon/M. Jackson So, exactly HOW was the team this past season better than the year before? That, I don't get. I'm no Van Gundy cheerleader, but give the man a little credit. The team survived the loss of Posey and Griffin and STILL won 2 more games and made the playoffs.
hey everybody! another insider here (well, not really) with only a little bit of stuff from my source, the ballboy. it's not anything important, which is why i'm not starting a new thread. on the topic of trading: it's still unsure whether steve will be traded or not, but in the case that he is, it WILL be for someone big. but more importantly, my source told me that cuttino mobley would probably be gone (traded) before anything else. look for some things to happen in the next month or two. sorry for the lack of info...this is all i could get out.
I agree with you, but what about the #4 Pick (6'7" High School PG Shaun Livingston) + Charlotte taking a bad contract???
If we trade Mobley I doubt it'll be a good trade because for his salary and production, there are not many players of equal or better value. If we trade Steve for salary relief and someone like Livingston, it'll be a long time till we're a contender. Most of the top draft picks this year will be projects. Not going to see many Carmelo/Lebron/Wade/Bosh's.
