Good luck in the pro's Chris, from one Longhorn fan.

Vescey took my original statement as me claiming that Simms was a sure thing, which I never said. His response was such that it made him sound like he thought I was saying there was no chance Simms could be a flop. I never said anything like that.

 

Timing,

You be better off at ramming your head into a brick wall before getting Cat to admit that he was wrong about something.

Cat,

YOU did say that "Simms was a sure thing", but oh, what's that? You were joking when you said that, weren't you?

 

Hey, leave me out of this. Better yet, don't. It's not my fault you weren't clear in your original message. And for the record, you've NEVER even mentioned the remote possibility that Simms... might... just... fail in the NFL. Not even a passing remark about it (or ANY objective negativity for that matter), and roughly half your overall posts seem to be in defense of him. From your posts alone, you seem to project the notion that the only constants in this world are...

DEATH
TAXES
CHRIS SIMMS WILL BE A STAR

Whether or not this reputation is warranted is beside the point. You create the perception from your myriad posts about Simms (that go back at least a year) that Simms can do no wrong. With the absence of any (objective) negativity from your posts, I'm led to believe that you think he will undoubtedly succeed in the NFL. So you didn't literally say he was a sure thing (and meant something else in a misconstrued message). You didn't necessarily have to; all of your posts taken together lead me to believe the same thing. Personally, I want Simms to succeed. I don't think he will, but I've written before that I want him to prove me wrong. I'm not being wishy-washy or playing both sides. To repeat, I don't think he'll make it in the NFL, but I'm totally and completely prepared to eat crow and admit my mistake if he's a wild success. So, I've left the notion that there is a possibility (a fairly big one, too) that Simms will do well. I'm neither a hater nor a homer. If you don't want me (or the rest of the board, for that matter) to believe that you think he's a sure thing, rather then just flatly saying, "I never said that," just go on and say that there's a decent chance (or even a very, very, very small one, for chrissakes) that Chris Simms will fail in the NFL (as any draft pick can). That should leave no doubt in anyone's mind. Using the current approach of "Deny! Deny! Deny!" is akin to "No comment" in my eyes...

 

Dude, shut the hell up.

I have said many times-- I meant that the money I would get from a bet on Simms being a top 15 pick would be the sure thing, NOT the god damn player himself in the league.

And as far as getting me to admit I was wrong... why don't you check the threads after the Tech and OU losses this year?

Vescey,

Of course there's a chance Chris could be a bust. The only reason I rarely talk about his negatives is that most people here discuss those very same things. I try to stick to things that have NOT been discussed, and when I post about Simms I try to talk about something that hasn't been discussed earlier. The negatives are often rehashed over and over again, and considering I am a fan of Chris, I like to throw in some of the positives that some other posters don't discuss.

Believe me, I know he's not perfect, and there's a chance he might not do well in the NFL. Just because I like someone, or a team, doesn't mean I don't recognize their chances at failing. If my posts came off that way to you, I apologize.

 

Jabroni,

Don't tell ME to shut up, mmmkay??

I'll say what I want and post what I want anytime I want to. You got that??

Little wonder you got your ass banned by Clutch. And I was in your corner, too. What an idiot I was.

 

I don't know what this is worth, but I think Simms is the leader in the big 12 in pass efficiency for the second str8 year. He's #12 overall. While he's not Elway, he is pretty damn good, imo.

 

And so will I. If you make ridiculous accusations, then run away and hide when I show evidence that contradicts it, I'm going to tell you to shut up. From your history here, it's obvious that that's an impossibility, but I will say it nonetheless.

I was banned for calling an administrator biased. How that relates to me telling a complete jackass to shut up... I'd love to know.

 

Thank you, Cat. That's what I'm looking for. I realize that you might not be all completely gung-ho for Chris Simms (with bouts of insanity and delusions of grandeur, to boot ), but boy do your posts give off that impression. I guess the posts make the poster, unfortunately (i.e. in this existence of pure anonymity, we can only judge the posters by their posts.) I understand the need to balance out the bad with the good and talk about things that have not been brought up, but please try injecting a little objectivity into your defense of Simms. Hell, I love the Simpsons, and would go to my grave defending it as one of the best TV shows of all-time, but even I recognize (and discuss) its faults. It would make you seem more believable and less biased if you would just acknowledge that Simms has his faults (and discuss them, too!). Hell, no one's perfect. Not Mack Brown. Not Chris Simms. Not even Heypartner.

 

Not any administrator, just the guy who runs everything here.

It relates because it is typical of your posting pattern here.

Look, I'm sure you are a good guy in real life because I have seen signs that proves that, but dadgum, this tendency to keep arguing and never backing down is maddening to say the least. If you are wrong about something, admit it. It is not the end of the world to lose an argument on a goddang BBS! You couldn't handle losing an argument to the guy who founded the site??!!

I guess I'll have to take your word about admitting that you were wrong about Texas losing to OU and Tech, but it seems like I remember excuses on why the Horns lost and not that those teams were the better teams that day. But I could be wrong.

 

Manny: the DIRECT quotes are in the other thread. You don't have to take my word for it-- it's right there.

My dispute with Clutch wasn't about losing an argument. It was about me feeling I had been treated unfairly, and he obviously disagreed. I thought his calling me out was unfair, and I tried to discuss diplomatically why it was such. I don't care if the President criticizes me-- if I feel like it is unjustified, it is my natural instinct to respond. Is there something wrong with that?

My comments were out of line, but I'm not sure what your problem is with my reasoning behind responding. Do you often ignore people who publically accuse you of false things?

 

IMO Simms is not in the league of Carr or Harrington from last year (who many posters here accused me of totally overrating a few months before the draft), or quite a few QBs I have watched this year. These include Leftwhich, Palmer, the little Manning, Gesser, and Grossman. I personally think Grossman is very underrated. That guy has had a crap of team around him for Florida standards and has kept them competitive and even beaten some good teams (Georgia). I do think if you replaced Dorsey with Simms Miami would have the same record however.

Simms is a very good college QB. But I would be astonished if he were a top 15 pick and would expect mid-2nd round or lower. I just don't think he will fare well with the speed and adjustments of NFL defenses--he had enough trouble figuring out some good college defenses. All the guys I mentioned that I think are better were able to move the ball and produce points in the tough games with less around them. At some level you need some improvasional ability to bail you out of plays otherwise dead--be it a great mind and quick release (Marino, Warner, Phil Simms, Namath, Peyton Manning, Bledsoe), great feet (Young, McNabb, Vick), or some combination of many of these qualities (Elway, Montana, Farve, Staubach, Tarkington, Gannon).

The only guy I can think of that was a real good pro QB without much improvasional ability is Troy Aikman. It is possible Simms has an accurate a ball as Aikman and Aikman's ability to scan the field before the play starts. So it is possible Chris Simms is a poor mans Troy Aikman, but despite Simms improvement over the last couple of years I haven't seen much that makes me think he can be one of the best 30 or so QBs in the world that usually get starting jobs in the NFL.