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Good luck in the pro's Chris, from one Longhorn fan.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by DVauthrin, Nov 29, 2002.

  1. KingCheetah

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    Simms might have the straight line speed of some of the older QB's, but NFL teams aren't looking for slow Rookies. Linebackers are all running sub 5 second 40's and Simms runs a 5.25-5.35. Simms has no elusiveness in a college pocket he's going to be completely overwhelmed in the blur of the NFL. Applewhite lacked size and speed and didn't make it, Simms lacks speed but has the genes and the name to get an extended trial.
     
  2. gr8-1

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    I think most LB's in the nfl run under a 4.75 these days. Simms supposedly runs a 4.7. I know he runs faster than a 5.2. I ran that in 7th grade and I wasn't on the track team or anything like that.
     
  3. The Cat

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    Yup... gr8-1 nailed it. Simms runs a 4.7 40.
     
  4. Manny Ramirez

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    Cat,

    You still did not say anything about the fact that you were wrong about Nebraska giving up 50 points to Miami. It was 37. Unless you are thinking of another game, I missed that one.

    And as I am typing this, Miami just scored again to go up 35-7, well on their way to their 33rd straight win.

    I don't care who you play, to win 33 in a row is pretty damn impressive.

    And as I see that this "discussion" has evolved from the sublime to the ridiculous, I will bid adieu.
     
  5. NYKRule

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    40 speeds don't mean a thing if a player can't avoid the sack. The fact that Texas consistently picks up some of the best OL prospects in the country and Simms still gets sacked 3 times a game is silly. His frequency is about once every 10-11 times he drops back. That is NOT good.
     
  6. DVauthrin

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    enough arguing.

    Simms was underrated as we at Texas never embraced what we had, and he got a lot of undeserved criticism. And do not compare him to the utter joke in college that Ron Powlus.
    Simms has fine numbers, but most Longhorn expectations made it impossible for him to match, because we like things bigger in Texas.

    Would it have been nice to beat OU-heck ya,but I don't think Chris lost either of those starts by himself, and other than the CU massacre, and every player has bad games now and then, hes been fabulous on the field and off it.

    And now for a new Sooner chant:

    IT'S 3:07 P.M. AND...... BLOWU IS OKLAHOMA STATE'S B*TCH :)
     
  7. The Cat

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    Well, as you admittedly said, they would've easily put up 50 had they tried to stay aggressive for the entire game the way Colorado did. There's no point in giving Nebraska props for holding Miami under 50 when the only reason that happened was less aggressive playcalling.

    And, as I assumed, people would translate my comments to claiming Miami's winning streak as unimpressive, when I said the exact opposite in my original post. Is it impressive? Sure. But you don't have to think they're a completely unbeatable team in order to find the winning streak impressive.
     
  8. The Cat

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    And if you've actually watched the games, you'd notice that later in the season the number dropped a good bit. Against Nebraska and A&M, when we went more shotgun and did more rollouts, Simms was hardly touched.

    Texas' offensive line has underachieved all season long, and when you combine that with a gameplan that rarely had Simms moving from the pocket, you can't expect him not to get sacked. My guess is that he is with better offensive lines in the pros, and with a better gameplan to move him around.
     
  9. mduke

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    QB 40 times are not that important.......Hybl ran OU's fastest QB 40 time, so that must make him Michael Vick, right?;)

    IT'S 3:07 P.M. AND...... BLOWU IS OKLAHOMA STATE'S B*TCH

    No argument on my part.......but who's the team that can still get to a BCS bowl?:p ;)
     
  10. The Cat

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    Both, once USC kills Notre Dame.
     
  11. NYKRule

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    Texas won't make the Sugar Bowl if USC beats Notre Dame. I'll put money on it, you wager.
     
  12. mduke

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    Both, once USC kills Notre Dame.
    They'd be crazy if they took Texas over KSU, the best Big 12 team right now, AND USC, the best Pac 10 team right now. But hey, if they REALLY want the 3rd best Big 12 team.......
     
  13. DVauthrin

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    Duke,

    I don't think if you lose big to OSU that you will be ranked ahead of us in polls come big 12 week, but yet you have the automatic bid to fall back on if you can pull it together.

    This is why FSU does not deserve a bid, we will be in the top 8 teams in the country, and yet they have no business going to a bowl without a .com after it :)

    Yes, you guys are still first. But, The 3rd best big 12 team my a**, We beat KState in Manhattan, don't even give me that. They are playing well, but geez we just rolled the Gaggies 50-20. I realize they didnt lose to Tech late, but they completely resurrected a lifeless Colorado team's season early on this year, so the caliber of loss is similar. And they wont take a team who travels poorly over a team like UT that travels very well.
     
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    Wait a second, duke.

    When OU lost to A&M, I thought they were still better than a 1 loss UT because they won head to head? Now a 2 loss KSU is better than a 2 loss UT even though they lost head to head?

    UT beat KSU head to head
    USC lost to KSU

    UT has head to head on KSU, and common opponent on USC. USC doesn't travel at all, and KSU doesn't have the players for TV ratings.

    Too early to bet now, Vick, USC might actually slip into the top 4 of the BCS if they win big and OU loses, meaning an automatic berth...
     
  15. VesceySux

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    For crying out loud, Cat. Simms a sure thing? Got any lotto numbers for me, man? Perhaps you could've consulted San Diego before they gambled on Ryan Leaf, seeing as you can accurately project NFL studs and all. :rolleyes:

    I'll take you up on your bet. As the football editor, part of my job is to predict the the NFL Draft as best as possible from a rookie trading card standpoint. I'll acknowledge that Simms will go decently high, but he's not a top 15 draft pick. Heck, he's not even on Kiper's top 5 QB list, and it's only for seniors! Woe is Simms if a lot of non-seniors decide to declare (like Charles Rogers did). I think, in the end, he'll go in the second or third round, but not any higher. As for his NFL career, I wish him all the best (seriously, I do), but I think he'll be merely average. I really do hope he proves me wrong...
     
  16. The Cat

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    When did I say he was a sure thing? Just because I said he would be in the top 15 doesn't mean I said he was a sure NFL stud. If you're going to criticize me, at least do it about something I said.

    I'd actually bet on top 10... in fact, after he wows them at the combines, I think he'll be top 5. Top 15 is being conservative. Kiper is a notorious UT hater... I could care less what he said. People were projecting Joey Harrington as a third round draft choice at this point last year.
     
  17. KingCheetah

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    I had a feeling posting that 40 time was a bad idea. I looked at at least 10 scouting sites and a 5.25 40 was the best time I saw. Kwami Cavil ran a 4.8 40 at the NFL scouting camp, I seriously doubt Simms has run a 4.7 he isn't as fast as Cavil. g8-1 if you were running 4.7's in jr high you must have gotten your times down to 4.3's by high school. ;) It will really suck if Simms can run a 4.7 cause I ran a 4.72 in high school and never realized how slow I was...:)

    K-Chee
     
  18. gr8-1

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    What are you talking about? I never ran a 4.7. I said a 5.25 in 7th grade.
     
  19. haven

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    Bah. People are biased against Texas. Cat nailed it. When people ranked UT ahead of OU when both had 1 loss... everyone b****ed.

    Now the same people rank UT below a K-State team that UT beat in Manhattan.

    Lame, lame, lame. Pick a method of rating teams... but don't just pick whichever disfavors UT.
     
  20. NYKRule

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    I only saw one person do that. So its not people. Kansas State doesn't deserve a BCS bid..no way.
     

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