Good luck in the pro's Chris, from one Longhorn fan.

The two touchdowns to Roy Williams yesterday were direct results of Simms reading the defense perfectly.

 

Then don't be such a smart ass when I call you out on it.

 

The bottom line is that Nebraska was the team that the BCS chose to play Miami. You can argue that they didn't deserve to be there, but to say that they were not a top 10 team is pure lunacy. Sorry, but because "The Cat" doesn't think that Nebraska should have been in the Top 10 is not going to change anything.

And maybe Miami doesn't have 3 or 4 games against top 10 teams, but when they are focused, it's good night for the other team (just ask Washington last year...the same Washington team that Texas scraped by in the Holiday Bowl or ask Tennessee, a team that you continued to pick to beat Miami even up to that game).

Look, I know you hate Miami and I understand. A lot of people despise teams that they are jealous of, but you have got to give them some respect. I hate OU, but I respect them and they are the only team that I see beating Miami.

Now, I will agree that talk of Miami being better than they were last season is ridiculous. There aren't going to be many Miami teams better than the 2001 team. So, if you are talking about the comparison of this Miami team with the 2001 team, then I would agree that this Miami team is overrated to the 2001 team, but I do NOT agree that Miami is overrated overall...compared to the other teams in the country.

 

Sorry, but I will be. Most people understand that moments after a game ends, fans are going to be more emotional and act without thinking than they will be hours and days later.

I expect people to be able to make that connection.

 

Where was the Washington game played? If it was played at a neutral site, I'm willing to bet it's a closer game. Also remember who Texas started at quarterback.

And as for Tennessee, I was dead wrong. Just because I think a team is good doesn't make them good. They're simply not good, and I didn't listen to everyone all season who told me that. It's not a very impressive win.

Nebraska was not a top 10 team. Any team that gives up 62 and 50 in their final two games, no matter the opponent, is not a top 10 team. That's a personal and common sense observation.

 

I don't think they've beaten one legitimate top 10 team in the last two seasons

And I don't think they've lost to anyone either......

 

Nebraska was not a top 10 team. Any team that gives up 62 and 50 in their final two games, no matter the opponent, is not a top 10 team. That's a personal and common sense observation.

They lost to better teams, simple as that......don't forget that they beat what would've been a top 2 BCS finisher if OU hadn't have lost to OSU....

 

Um, Miami scored 37 against Nebraska, not 50 (although they probably could have if they hadn't coasted in the 2nd half).

So, you are telling me that despite being chosen by the BCS as the #2 ranked team in the country, they (Nebraska) don't belong in the entire top 10??

Wow...nice to see how you disregard all logic and facts to fit your argument.

So, when Nebraska led by Tommie Frazier put 62 on Florida a couple of years ago in the Fiesta Bowl, according to you, Florida was not a top 10 team because they let someone score over 60 points on them. Riiiiiiiight.

 

Kind of like this whole thread.

 

Simms isn't as good as Cat says he is, but he's not a "looser" like Kilgore trout either. I mean, what's Chris's record? 25-6? That's pretty solid. He looked great yesterday and he's thrown 24 tds versus only 11 ints. He's a solid to very good QB right now.

 

Do you think Simms will make in the NFL (ie) about 10 years as a starter on a successful team? I think he's got everything except mobility and the NFL is all about fast rollout QB's these days. I don't think there will be a team Simms fits on for the long term. Simms is slower than a Bledsoe or Warner who are still successful but are the last gasp of the drop back pocket QB. Simms will get a shot like Weinke, but I can't picture him lasting as a starter.

 

He'll have a Brad Johnson-like career. Tweener between a backup and a starter, might have a career year and cash in on it.

 

There's a difference between moments and hours. I said as such in my post, and most of these posts are hours after the game, not minutes.

KingCheetah, I'll bet my life Simms isn't slower than Bledsoe. Bledsoe's about the slowest QB I've ever seen, and he's an MVP candidate. Simms is every bit as mobile as the following QBs:

Drew Bledsoe
Kurt Warner
Marc Bulger
Kerry Collins
Chad Pennington
Drew Brees
Trent Dilfer
Chad Hutchinson
Trent Green
Brad Johnson
Chris Weinke

And those are just a few starting caliber NFL quarterbacks... you could make the case for guys like Fielder, Griese, and Harrington, but I left them off cause they have shown a little bit of mobility.

Um, Miami scored 37 against Nebraska, not 50 (although they probably could have if they hadn't coasted in the 2nd half).

So, you are telling me that despite being chosen by the BCS as the #2 ranked team in the country, they (Nebraska) don't belong in the entire top 10??

Wow...nice to see how you disregard all logic and facts to fit your argument.

So, when Nebraska led by Tommie Frazier put 62 on Florida a couple of years ago in the Fiesta Bowl, according to you, Florida was not a top 10 team because they let someone score over 60 points on them. Riiiiiiiight.

Manny,

Umm... the only reason they were chosen as #2 is because the computers and human polls didn't drop them nearly as far as they should have for being humiliated by their rival in a game where the national championship was on the line for NU. Is there some kind of rule that says I have to agree with what the computers and human polls spit out?

Just because they say it doesn't make it a fact.

And the Florida example isn't comparable, because it didn't happen twice. I can buy the "one bad game" argument and that things snowballed. I can't buy it for two games, no matter who you play. Any team that has that kind of defensive performance for two games is not a top 10 team. Period.

 

Chris Simms is NOT as fast as Pennington or Brees. Not that Pennington or Brees are speed demons or anything.

And the ones you said you can make a case for, all but Fiedler, you might be able to. Fiedler is pretty fast.

 

I've seen all three of them play. If anything, he's faster.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree. There's NO way he's as fast as or as shifty as Pennington, but I haven't seen enough of Brees to give a definitive answer, thats just from what I heard.

 

I just checked.

Simms' 40 time: 4.7
Brees: 4.86
Pennington: 4.81

 

Football speed is different than 40 times. Bringing up 40 times is completely irrelavent.

 

Then why do they measure it?

If you're measuring it by "what you've seen from them in the games", I'll let someone who's seen Chris play more than 3 or 4 times make the determination.

 

When a player is that slow, 40 speed is irrelavent, they will be caught quick. It's all about pocket presence, what they do with the ball, and agility when 300 pound monsters are chasing them. I guarantee you that Pennington is better in all three of these and it makes him a better mobile QB than Simms.