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Good luck in the pro's Chris, from one Longhorn fan.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by DVauthrin, Nov 29, 2002.

  1. LeGrouper

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    I wouldn't say Vick yet, but he does look scary. I'm an Ag, but I root for Texas after us, I am loyal to my state. I wanted ya'll to win the title this year it just didn't work out. If RW stays then ya'll have to be the favorites next year. I have the feeling that UT is going to start a FSU type dynasty next year.
     
  2. Kilgore Trout

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    I hear that Chris is a top pick in the 6th round since he can read the field so well.
     
  3. NYKRule

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    Michael Vick is a mix of Barry Sanders and John Elway.

    There, I said it.
     
  4. The Cat

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    Read my post for a response to that.

    Simms will be a top 15 pick. If anyone wants to bet, please let me know... sure things like this don't come around every day.
     
  5. LeGrouper

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    With the current QB situation in the NFL Simms in definitely in the top 10. He is an NFL QB before he is a college QB.
     
  6. Kilgore Trout

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    I defiantly won't bet with you on this one. Simms has the physical tools to impress scouts and that is sufficient to make him a top draft choice. There have been sure things like Cade McNown and Ryan Leaf(I can go on if you wish). The problem with Simms is that he is a looser. He has yet to play well in a game that UT shouldn’t have won easily. Nevertheless, as a UT fan, I still hope that he realizes his full potential and is a great pro QB.
     
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  7. The Cat

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    We were underdogs at Kansas State, and only three point favorites at Nebraska

    His numbers weren't tremendous against KSU-- 184 yards and a touchdown-- but when the game was on the line, he made the play to win it. Kansas State sent everyone on the blitz, and on the road he stood in there, took a crushing blow, and delivered a 30 yard strike to BJ on the numbers to set up the winning field goal.

    Again Nebraska, he had possibly the best game by any quarterback in UT history.

    There were also many people picking against us in the first Colorado game last year, and Iowa State this year. Yet, going with the "it's not a big game unless you lose" philosophy, those things are soon forgotten by everyone.

    McNown never had the physical tools of Chris Simms, and if you think Simms' mindset is anything resembling Leaf's, you need to watch some more football. Have there been quarterback busts? Sure. There have been big man busts with the first pick, but it didn't stop the Rockets from taking Yao Ming.

    However, there are few comparisons from the college careers of those "busts" to the one Chris Simms had in Austin, and that is the difference.
     
  8. mduke

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    I never thought I'd live to see the day that Chris Simms was compared to Yao Ming.:cool:
     
  9. Kilgore Trout

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    You're right, the Cade McNown analogy was a bad one. However Leaf was a QB that has all of the physical abililties without the mental ability. That's how I see Simms. Leaf is a headcase and Simms can't read a defense. This does not mean that Simms cant overcome his shortcommings.

    Also I didn't know that UT was only favored over NU by 3pts at the time. I figure that a top 10 team should beat an unraked team by more (UT could almost lost). With proper coaching UT shold have killed Nebraska.
     
  10. gr8-1

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    I heard Simms gets laid 90 times more than you do, so you hate the guy for that reason.




    Honestly, Simms hasn't lived up to the hype, but that's not his fault. What he is is a good quarterback who, with good coaching could be great. He will be successful in the nfl and he bangs more chicks in a week than kilgore trout will in his lifetime.
     
  11. Kilgore Trout

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    I bet that David Klingler gets laid all the time too. It still doesn't make up for the fact that he sucks.

    How is Simms not living up to the hype not his fault?
     
  12. 4chuckie

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    Underrated? He is the most over-hyped player since Ron Pawlus.

    He was playing on the team with the best talent in the country (#1 pre-season ranking and wit until draft day to see all the UT players) and "led" them where?

    Anyways the best I can say about Simms is he does seem to be a great guy, so I also wish him luck but calling him underrated is crazy.
     
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  13. 4chuckie

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    Cat what about your easy money bet with me in the Fiesta bowl? Remember where you were saying OSU would lose by 30 and I said just give me 16?

    Just let me know how much you're up for betting on that game.
     
  14. The Cat

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    He had no consistent running game. He had no consistent blocking. He had terrible playcalling for part of the season that rarely allowed him to throw downfield. He had an inconsistent defense that got torched by Quentin Griffin and Kliff Kingsbury. And yet, in spite of that, he led his team to a second consecutive 10 win season, and led the best conference in America in passing efficiency. That's some QB.

    In fact, to make a QB comparison, Simms has had a better season statistically, with a harder schedule, than "Heisman" Ken Dorsey. The only difference? Miami doesn't play OU. They have Willis McGahee. They have a dominant offensive line that makes sure he's never touched.

    And he's extremely underrated, because the common perception is that "he chokes, never won a big game", etc. He's won several big games. I don't know if any other QB in the country could've taken their team into Kansas State (look at the way they're playing) and gotten their team a W. That's a definite top 10 team that is playing like a top 5 team. No one, no matter what their name are is or how damn great their talent is perceived to be, should have winning the Heisman and national championships as their standard for greatness. Anyone who expected that is a joke.

    Want to know the demeanor of Chris Simms in big games? Playing in Lincoln is always a big game:

    "Anybody who has ever questioned Chris Simms better go hide tonight. He is tough as nails. He dislocated his finger and he said, 'Coach, don't take me out because we are winning this football game in Lincoln." - Mack Brown

    Within one minute of coming back in, he throws a touchdown pass to give Texas the lead. He has won 10 game seasons for consecutive years in a row, is tough as can be, and took his program to places it hasn't been in decades. We had a few 8-4 or 9-3 type seasons with James Brown and Major... but we rarely finished in the top 20. Even though we came up a game or two short, we're on the verge of back to back top 5 finishes with Chris Simms at quarterback.

    Just because he didn't have the absolute perfect season in two chances doesn't make him any less of a quarterback. Believe it or not, there are other factors that go into a team's success, and some luck involved. The gap between Simms and Ron Powlus is pretty tremendous.

    And as for not reading defenses, go back and read my description of a play in my original post, and tell me how someone who can't read a defense does that.

    Also, kilgore, no one blows out Nebraska in Lincoln... no one. I don't care how they're playing; it's the toughest place to play in the country. With Lord playing his worst game of the season yesterday, Nebraska was still leading or within one possession of CU for almost the entire game.

    4chuckie,

    It depends on who they play. If they play OU, I'll make that bet. If they play Miami, I won't, cause I think they're overrated too.
     
  15. Manny Ramirez

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    Cat,

    Tell me why you think that Miami is "overrated"?

    Because they don't have to play OU??
     
  16. mduke

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    Cause it looks better for Texas if OU goes to the title game;)
     
  17. NYKRule

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    Please cat, you were saying you would give Ohio State 20 points in the chat the day of the OSU-Michigan game.
     
  18. The Cat

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    Partially. I know they've won, and I give them credit for it. However, I don't think they've beaten one legitimate top 10 team in the last two seasons? Florida State last year was terrible. Virginia Tech last year, and Pitt, Florida and FSU this year were all marginal top 20 teams. And three of those four teams gave Miami a run for their money.

    Nebraska last year was not a top 10 team... any team who gives up 62 points in their last game does not deserve to be up there.

    I'm not saying it diminishes Miami one bit-- I am just hesitant to betting on them to win big against a team like Ohio State because in most games against top 20 teams they have been challenged.
     
  19. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Why, you think all the Major cultists will follow Simms around and harass him wherever he goes?
     
  20. The Cat

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    Have you ever heard of overreacting, genius? :rolleyes:

    Believe it or not, right after an intense game ends, some of us tend to go with the emotional flow, then we change our opinions later after we have time to think.
     

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