Why mention this? I think we would agree it's a non-issue. Chuck has shown zero inclination to complain about role or playing time. In fact, it's the exact opposite. You want guys with his personality in your locker room to rub off on younger guys. Stars are frequently coasters and divas. Leaders can be guys like Battier, Hayes, and Lowry. They are guys who give the team a burst of energy when they seem flat, who spark the defense when it's too lax, and who can make momentum-changing plays. They can frustrate other teams. It's not all about superstars, or James White / Rudy Gay / Gerald Green / TWill / Jermaine Taylor / Donte Greene / Stromile Swift / Jordan Hill at every position, having a solid journeyman backup never killed anyone. Unless you're a tanking advocate, in which case we may never see eye to eye.
The way Chuck Hayes battled KG in the game we spanked the Celts is one of the best moments of last season. DD is always all over the place. He genuinely thought that Yao would remain healthy this past season and adamently proclaimed us as the contenders. Now, he believes that the Rockets won't do squat this season and are in full rebuild mode. This should bode well for our Houston Rockets :grin:
The mythology of what i thought continues, i said i hoped Yao would be healthy. And we are in rebuild mode, how many young players are we stockpiling? DD
Depends on what your definition of a leader is. It could be argued that Mario Elie was the leader of the Rockets' championship teams.
Exactly! Having the Chuckwagon back simply makes too much sense. If we're outbid, so be it, but I'll be surprised if he doesn't return.
How many of our 09 potential busts are actually expected to be in the rotation? Thabeet - nope Flynn - nope T Will - nope Hill - doubtful They're assets aka expiring contracts. The young guys we need to concern ourselves with are Morris (21), Patterson (22), Dragic (22), Budinger (23), Lee (25), and Lowry (25). 70 % of our rotation is under 25 years of age. This is why your argument for not re-signing Hayes is so flawed. We have plenty of youthful, up and coming players in the rotation. These are the players the Rockets will continue to develop while remaining competitive. They are also the players that might be shipped out in the blockbuster deal that we so highly covet. Hayes and Martin are 28. Luis is our oldest rotational player at 31. The Rockets are hardly an old team that needs to rely on mediocre players who haven't shown that they deserve a spot just because of their so-called potential or lack thereof.
We would have won 20 less games last season without Chuck Hayes. If we are tanking, it would be a good idea to not bring him back. All I want to see is Patrick Patterson as the starting PF and Marcus Morris as the starting SF. Keep Chuck longterm around to plug in the holes until we land a franchise C...
Your post doesn't make sense. There are two ways to get a franchise center. 1. Get a REALLY high draft pick. 2. Sign a FA center to a ludicrously large contract. If we resign Hayes 1. We won't be getting a high draft pick because, as you say, he's worth 20 games by himself. 2. We won't have the money to sign anyone to a ludicrously large contract because we won't have the cap space to do so.
This is where we differ Sammy, I think all of the 09 people should get significant playing time, to find out if they can be something more than a bust. People give up way too quickly on players these days, the Rockets need to take a longer approach and develop players, which means playing some of them that are not ready.... Thabeet is a prime example, just play the guy, give him consistent minutes and see what happens.... Either way, what you and I think is moot, DM the GM will make the call, if he lowballs Chuck, it will be telling as to which direction the org is going. DD
I also agree it's moot for a different reason. The thing is, no one knows how our youngsters will perform until next season's at least halfway through. Will those 09ers be all busts? Perhaps. But also perhaps Thabeet or Hill may develop and be better than Hayes. Thabeet especially would have a lot of impact on the Rockets if he develops, making him worth retaining in 2012. So you can neither write off any of our current young bigs nor can you expect them to realize their potentials. That means Morey has to guess at the future. If he's certain our young bigs won't develop enough to take Hayes' place before his next contract is up, then he'd bring Hayes back. If Morey guesses that one of them develops, then he'd be better served saving Hayes' money to resign one of Thabeet/Hill/TWill/Lee instead. Or put that salary into the CP3/DWill/Dwight coffer.
They will be getting minutes. In preseason if there is one. 8 players are basically set in the rotation as is. Where are the minutes going to come from if all four 09 players get significant playing time? It doesn't make sense. Hill has the best shot to make the rotation. DM and I are on the same page. Just like we were on AB. More than likely, Hayes will remain in Houston. Memphis will retain Gasol. The Clipps will do the same with Jordan. Our options are pretty limited through free agency. The Rockets need to trade for a center, which won't be easy. I'm sure that we will have enough money to sign a max player in 2012 even if we re-sign Hayes. I think he gets around 4-5 million per.
Yeah. That's definitely not a fan-driven option, and it may not even be very GM-driven either. Morey's idea of assets is to accumulate good assets at great production per contract value, not to drop every solid player in favor of question marks every off-season in hopes of hitting a jackpot - a bastardized version of the idea.
Good in China? Hopefully the lockout will get figured out by then, though, because Chuck still maintains that he wants to stay with the Rockets. http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/lockout-2011/2011/09/chuck-haynes-to-china/
There will be a secret clause in Adelman's contract that Kahn has to offer a full MLE to Chuck, to start at center instead of Darko.
