gomemphis.com: "Posey bringing aggressive athleticism to Griz" with Rockets info

Why is it obvious that he deserved the 4.9 million exception? His pay day is based on potential not current performance. Posey consistantly got schooled by the better 3s in the league.

If you didn't hear about anyone complaining about Posey during the season then you were not reading this board. You should have been paying attention after he nearly cost us the home game against the Clippers after he fouled Andre Miller with 1 second left on the clock.

As good as Posey looked the last month of the season he looked just as bad the first three months he was with the team.

 

You obviously know basketball better than Jerry West.
Yeah, I remember the Clippers game.
He made a mistake. More than one.
Let me reiterate, I never said he was a superstar. I said he was a super athletic role player. The kind of guy the middle class exception was created for.
I haven't seen Pike play for the Rockets yet, maybe it will work. But from what I hear, he cannot defend at all or play the three.
Posey could play 2 or 3, both ends of the floor.
From what I hear about AG, he cannot do much of anything with the ball in his hands.
Both of these guys are one diminsional players. There is a reason that Posey is going to be making more than the two new Rockets combined.
Forget salary.
Do you honestly think Pike and AG for Posey makes us a better team? Do you think it helps get us into the playoffs?
I don't.

p.s.
I really want to like the new guys, and will support them, and hope that they make us a better team.

 

Then I guess you are part of the 20 percent of the board that doesn't.


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That poll concerned the two scrubs making less money.
I can't help it if 80 percent of the board want's to save a billionaire the luxury tax.
My question was do they make us better ignoring salary.
But yes, I am in that 20 percent. This city just built that punk Les Alexander a stadium. He tips less than ten percent (I used to be a waiter). He can afford it.

 

Pike gives the Rockets something that Posey did not, great outside shooting. That alone will make our offense better by stretching the defenses and making it harder for opposing teams to collapse on Yao Ming. Posey did nothing to keep defenses from doubling or tripling Yao Ming.

Posey did not make the Rockets appreciably better on defense against the teams with the better small forwards in the league. The Rockets were better, IMO, with Kenny T at the 3 than JPo because KT was a better all around defender, rebounder and scorer than JPo.

I don't think Pike or Griffin were picked up in an attempt to replace Posey. They are only pieces to the puzzle. Pike provides the outside scoring touch that our team desperately needs and Griffin is just a good utility man that can slide effectively between the 2 and the 3 spot while playing good defense.

I think the Rockets are still hopping that Boki will turn into the athletic small forward that they drafted him to be. If that is the case then there certainly is no reason to over pay for some one like James Posey.

 

You thought Kenny Thomas was a better three than Posey????
I don't even know how to respond to that.
Look, I don't want to start off on the wrong foot with either of the new players, it's just that I wish we had kept Posey.
I think he is the kind of player that fits in wherever he goes. I think he was an extremely good fit here. He did what I think small forwards are supposed to do. A little bit of everything. Most of which doesn't show up in stats.
Yes, Pike can shoot the three better. Posey wasn't here for his three point shooting ability. It was his athleticism. His drive. He was a jack of all trades.
We could have kept Posey and still picked up a sharp shooter to back up the two spot.
But I'm sick of talking about it.
I would have liked the Rockets to go one way. They went the other way. I really do hope it works out for the best.
I hope the money ends up getting spent where it needs to be spent.
I just don't like the idea of not resigning a player to avoid the luxury tax.
Owners that really want to win spend money.

 

I don't think that there is any question that KT's defense was much more consistent than JPos defense. Also KT had a hell of a lot better interior defense than JPo. While there were games that JPo was able to change with his defense there were many games that he was a "NO SHOW".

Offensively speaking Posey does nothing unique that isn't already done much better by either Cat or Steve. Posey's strength was clearly going to the basket and running the floor. He was not particularly good at creating his own shot although he would try it as if he were Steve or Cat. That clearly is not what the Rockets need on offense. We have plenty of athletes that can drive to the basket and create their own shot. We need someone like Pike that can play with in the scope of the offense and consistently nail the outside jumper.

Pike does not have the all around game that Posey does but that is not what we need. What were our biggest problems last year? Decision making and perimeter shooting. Posey did not give us either of these while Pike gives us both.

Also we don't know what kind of contributor that Boki can be on defense. By all accounts the guy is a relentless worker and has tons of athleticism. I don't think that it is a reach to think that he can be just as good as Posey on offense if not better.

 

What has Nachbar ever done to make you think he will be a contributor at all?

 

Some people think he is going to be serious white. Sorry, I just couldn't resist. IMO Nachbar just needs confidence in his shot and a little instruction, and he will be a serious contributor.

 

absolutely nothing... people tend to think he's going to have some huge season. Don't count on it. It's going to take awhile

 

He was drafted with the 15th pick of the 1st round.

What has he ever done in the NBA period. Nothing. Does that mean that he has no potential? Of course not. But I think we can at least give him the chance. There is certainly no denying his athletic ability.

 

I fit in here. I loved what Posey brought to the Rocks and hoped we'd sign him for 4 years starting at about 3.5 million. I think that would have been his fair value, more or less. He got offered a better deal, which I had worried about, and life goes on.

I think it's a little disingenious to say Piatkowski and AG equal Posey, however... or that the 2 combined are better. It's sort of like apples and oranges to me. I've wanted Pike on the Rockets for awhile. I was hoping we'd trade for him before the deadline last season (of course, I was hoping he'd be part of a larger trade with the Clips) when it was beyond obvious that we needed a great shooter not named Rice on the team to spread the defense. And Pike fits that to a "T".

AG will be a nice player in the rotation and I think he's a good pickup. He doesn't have the athleticism and (sorry for the overused word) potential for further development that Posey has. Frankly, I wish we could have had all three.

Posey went for the bigger $$ and took a chance that we would match. He lost his gamble. (I bet he feels that way, except for his bank account) I think we would have signed him for 3.5 million, but it's just my opinion. It will remain to be seen if this is it for the Rocks or if we make another move.

 

Mobley does not make more than Posey, though I really wish that we had kept him. The only thing that I can think of is that we are waiting for Glen's contract to expire, but I am hugely disappointed. I thought that we already had a strong nucleus, and for those saying that Mobes is only 6th man material, I can't imagine that you know what you are talking about. Unfortunately MoT still has some years left on that contract and we are not getting rid of it, I don't think that we can. But still it begs the question, you know I was all excited over the new stadium and everything, I'm even flying out there a few times this year to see them play, but I expected that Posey would remain on the team. To those saying that he's no All-star, well many players aren't, last I checked there aren't very many, and what ever happened to, "we need to share the ball". I think that it's very disappointing indeed, but I still think that we have a plan for the future in the off-season coming, still though..., I'm just as bothered as anyone else about it.

 

yes, but Dallas certainly didn't outbid Memphis for Posey, and Posey is better than Josh Howard.

Do you not think Dallas would have taken Posey at $2.5M....who wouldn't??? Point is: no one took him at inflated prices but a cellar dweller.

Is Posey better than Bowen?
Is Posey an excellent role-player for a ring-looking team like the Kings (sans Turkoglu)?
Hell, why didn't Utah offer him a contract.

The Grizzlies are just desparate and should not be considered a martket maker for role players like Posey.

I guess your point is we are desparate, too, and should pay Piat, Griffin and Posey.

RIET, just say it then. Just say we should have gotten all three. I'm down for that....but I don't buy your doomsday stuff for not doing it. It is overdone.

 

SERIOUS BLACK... you seem like you are in love with posey... it seems like you really wanted the guy... he was nothing great... sure i loved his defense... but that was it... yeah i was happy when he contributed... but i wasnt that happy to give him the money he doesnt deserve... you would make a lousy GM... sorry... no offense

 

None taken.
It's just that we barely missed the playoffs last season. And now we are going to try it again with a lesser team for luxury tax reasons.
No idea what kind of a GM I'd make.
peace.

 

All I've got to say is, the off season isn't over. We can still sign a player using the remaining portion of the MLE, which will make three players for JPo's money. Rice's contract is of value in the market and we don't know what the management is up to. It's too early to make a conclusion on the offseason. Besides, TMo is a decent backup 3 IMO, and Boki beat him out. That says the Rockets have some faith in Boki. Letting Posey go shows maybe the Rockets are willing to invest in Boki. It's a gamble if it's true, but it does keep the hope alive.

 

Posey at shooting guard?? Good luck with that Jerry.

I liked Posey before he came to the Rockets and I still like what he can do on the court, but he is far from the saviour many people are making him out to be. He is a role player that rebounds on bad shooting teams and can play defense. Nothing more. Nothing less. No team is going to win the ring because of James Posey....especially at shooting guard.

 

If Posey is such a trash player, how did he start for you guys?

Maybe his defense suffered on the Rockets due to poor coaching, I am sure Van Gundy could have gotten better out of him than whatever stiff you guys had subbing for Rudy T last season.

I will say this now and probably all season: Posey is a hell of a player to get for nothing. He didn't cost us nothing but cash.

Thank the basketball gods we have Jerry West and the green light to spend money. Why do you guys care how much your billionaire owner saves on salary? Didn't the fans/citizens buy him a new arena?

I can here your owner now, "Thanks for the arena suckers, now watch me pinch pennies!"

In Memphis we are also paying for a crib and I expect wins not excuses. Can't afford the luxury tax? Sell the freaking team to another billionaire who gives a damn about winning!!!

 

As I said before I would rather be wrong with Hubie and Jerry than be right with CD. I should include JVG here but I respect him too much to include him with CD and the regime. There is no doubt in my mind that the combo of loss of Posey is big. There is nothing that Pike and AD can do to change my mind on that. The only possible thing to change my mind is a breakout year from Boki.