rocket jjang .... i see where you are coming from, jamison is a whole lot of potential ... but walt is no troy murphy. i just have to say i like the wizzard and feel he hasn't got credit here in houston ... i know this guy is a ?mark, always on the trade block and never seemed to a staple to any of his past or current teams. i don't know why that may be, does he not hustle in practice, is he a problem in the locker room or does the coaching staff just view him as a second tier player .... i don't know, what i do know is what i see when i watch the games ... and walt williams has good skills and ability and should get more than 25min/game. i also will boast my opinion that walt should have been our offensive focus last season ... and will venture to say he has the best outside shot on the rockets. one more thing is besides hill, pip, or carter i can't name a small foward that is clearly better than the wizz ... so yeah jamison is full of upside but i'll stick with williams, we just need to use him. ------------------
Swopa-- So if Carter was going to Toronto anyway, that would mean Jamison would still be there at 5, so why did your genius GM just giftwrap cash to Toronto? If it was because he liked Jamison more than Carter, it was a bonehead move. If he didn't realize he would get what he wanted without giving up cash, it was a bonehead move. Which was it? And as far as Pippen goes, it was a no-risk move. All we lost was Roy Rogers and the 32nd pick this year, and in return got Carlos Rogers, Walt Williams, and Kelvin Cato. Not a bad trade IMHO. Scottie wasn't even the first choice, McDyess was. He turned us down though, so we had to settle for one of the 50 Greatest. ------------------
I live in the Bay Area also. One dollar Wednesdays can't be beat at the A's games. Also I have had season tix to the Warriors the past few years. Maybe we will see each other some times. ------------------ "We need to fockass".....Dream back in the day
My point was he was at that time considered one of the fifty greatest and the best all-around player in the game, so having to "settle" for that definitely wasn't a bad move by the Rockets. ------------------
Just trying to get this thread to page 5 ------------------ In order to be a success in life, you need 2 things: 1. Don't tell everything you know.
I have some questions. 1. Why did the Warriors trade FOR Mookie? Ick! 2. How many players away are the Warriors from being even remotely close to the playoffs? ------------------ I am so exasperated that I could expectorate.
CKidd, I was thinking that if GSW had a good outside player that could stretch the defense, then they'd do really well. Oh wait the Rockets have a player like that -- Walt. But, the Rockets could have a PO run if they had a good outside shooter that could stretch the defense. Oh wait... ------------------
In the interest of extending this thread even longer, let me add to CriscoKidd's list. (3) Why did your coaching staff insist on starting Blaylock nearly all season, when the team wasn't going anywhere and Vonteego Cummings needed PT to develop? (4) What makes Hughes such a "franchise player"? The fact that he shot 39% from the field? If I'm going to have a guy be my leading scorer, I'd like to see him shoot more like MJ and less like Vernon Maxwell. (5) When was the last time the Warriors won a single game in the playoffs? ------------------
Is this a dead rumor yet or what? ------------------ I am the founding member of the Butt-Nekkid Party! White House here we come!
3a) And why didn't they dump Mookie on point-guard desperate Toronto at the deadline? Also, what's hilarious is just looking at their potential future nucleus Cummings: not bad, but nothin special Hughes: at least he does what his position (shooting guard) tells him to do, not that he does it really well though Jamison and Fortson: two forwards who can do one thing and one thing only, rebound So where is the scoring going to come from? Jamison is very good but I don't see him anywhere near the level of Carter, Sheed, KG, or Reef. ------------------
If AJ can come back from his knee injury, he is a legitimate scorer. He would be alot better if he knocked down his throws consistently. ------------------ I am the founding member of the Butt-Nekkid Party! White House here we come!
NewGuy, it's fascinating that you're so worked up over the $500,000 that GS gave Toronto in the Jamison deal, but don't say a word about the $14 million/year deal the Rockets gave Pippen (which required them to take numerous unwanted players from Portland, some of whom they're still paying). I mean, if wasting any amount of the owner's money is what makes a GM a bonehead, I have two words for you: Matt Maloney. The Rockets still owe him what, $12.8 million? But really, I don't have a problem with the Rockets front office signing Maloney to that contract, or shipping Pippen in or out -- as I said, the logic of "they made one bad move, so they'll make others" is stupid. Every GM makes mistakes, if they last long enough. The better GMs simply have enough good moves to outnumber their mistakes, that's all, and I think that's true both for the Rockets and for the Warriors under St. Jean (and especially since St. Jean gained full control by firing PJ, who had been the final voice on all personnel moves). To Crisco ... (1) The Warriors traded for Mookie because they were looking to draft a PG, and their main draft evaluator (Gary Fitzsimmons) liked Vonteego Cummings instead of Jason Terry -- and they felt that neither Terry nor Vonteego would be ready to take the reins of a team right away. So, since they knew Vonteego would be available later in the draft, they traded down and picked up Mookie in the bargain to tutor him. A good deal, IMHO. (2) The W's actually have all the players they need to make the playoffs; they just need those guys to grow into their roles. I'd say they'll be "remotely close" this year, and actually in the postseason next year. To be a serious contender, though, they'll need not only development but a better PF than I think Danny Fortson will be. ------------------
How about you send us Charles Woodson and we send you Bryce Drew? We keep Woodson in the closet until the 2002 team starts to play I think Woodson and Michael Vick will make great teammates (hint hint).
I know Jamison can score, but is really a natural 4. Only problem is Fortson would just be slaughtered if he tried the 3. Maybe they can make it work, maybe not. My point over the $500 grand was that it was unneccesary. I don't see what the purpose was of that deal. Pippen and Maloney were both payed because we had hopes they would help the team, the $500 grand GState paid seems to be pointless. But I think you're right with that GM's make mistakes take. ------------------
In the interest of extending this thread to the fifth page, I would like to offer the following two thoughts- 1. Maloney is better than Drew. 2. Pippen showed in the playoff choke against L.A. that he is NOT one of the 50 greatest. As much as I dislike Barkley, Pippen is not qualified to carry Barkley's jockstrap, imho. ------------------ Nice guys finish lunch. - C. Chase
How about if you send us Sleepy Floyd and Joe B.C....and we'll give you...oh wait...sorry.... ------------------
Swopa, thanks, I was wondering why they did that trade. Mookie is still icky though. And I don't know about them making the playoffs next year. They seem like a fragile team to me. If everything falls into place, then yeah. But I don't think the Warriors have a good track record with lady luck. IMHO, of course. ------------------ I am so exasperated that I could expectorate. [This message has been edited by CriscoKidd (edited September 04, 2000).]
To continue answering questions (c'mon, page 5!) ... (3) I don't think Vonteego would have developed any faster if he'd gotten 40 minutes a game instead of 24. Damon Stoudamire was a 40-mpg starter from day one, while John Stockton was a backup for four years; who do you think developed better? In following the Warriors, I saw Joe Smith basically ruined by being forced into a role he wasn't ready for. Especially on a bad team, sometimes all you learn from playing huge minutes is how to (a) get used to losing and (b) turn mistakes into bad habits. (3a) What would GS have gotten from trading Mookie? Toronto was supposedly offering Doug Christie, but the Warriors had already picked up a starting SG in the Hughes deal, and may even have lined up the Sura-Caffey trade back then (Gary Fitzsimmons drafted Sura when he was in Cleveland's front office). By the middle or end of this year, Vonteego should have progressed far enough that the W's can trade Mookie. Why the rush? Does Mookie have "over-30 cooties" that will infect the younger players? I thought this was the NBA, not "Logan's Run." (4) Hughes's shooting percentage went up every month he was with the Warriors (as the coaches worked with him on his form), and he'll get better-percentage shots with Jamison on the floor to absorb some of the defense's attention. Hughes got exactly the kind of force-feeding I don't like to see (cf. the answer to #3), but apparently the idea was not only to learn what he could do within the limited time left in the season but to show him how far he had to go to become the player he thought he could be (among other things, how much stronger he'd have to get to withstand 40 minutes/game over a full year). (5) I'm almost too young to remember, but I think the answer is 1991. Sometime around then they even made the second round (by upsetting the Jazz). But I guess you don't really want an answer, you just wanted to talk some smack. Whoopee. Crisco, you may think Mookie is "icky," but without him the Warriors may have set the record for fewest wins in a season last year (and no, we don't have it already! ) Heck, I remember him personally winning a game in Houston last year. But I have to agree with you that any GS fan always dreads what fate may have in store for the Warriors. But, as the team's new marketing slogan says, "We may be onto something" this time . . . (isn't that what Charlie Brown always used to say as he ran up to kick the football?) [This message has been edited by Swopa (edited September 04, 2000).]
