You can have your bacon and eat it too. Not only that, but you can eat a BLT while you're reading Charlotte's Web and hope that Wilbur doesn't get turned into Pork Pie.
Hmm, can we start another thread on this? I was thinking. I'm ok with hunting, and killing an animal for food, or even a dog for food as long as you go about killing it with as little suffering as possible. I think comarping this caribou or whatever the hell it is (a moose?) to what Vick did is not even in the same stratosphere. If you took a herd of moose and put them in a cage and forced them to fight one another, electrocuted them, and drowned them then you'd have just as big of an outcry as you saw when Mike Vick did the same thing to dogs. I think when it comes down it it, people don't really value a dogs life more than a deer's life, especially when it comes to food, but nobody wants to see either creature tortured. I've shot 3 deer in my life. The first two were good, clean shots and the deer dropped and it was no big deal, even had one mounted, but the 3rd deer didn't die right away and it struggled and kicked and flopped around and I had to take it out again with another shot with a pistol and well that was the day I stopped hunting. It was the suffering, not the killing, that I couldn't handle.
That would be pretty cool. MOOSE FIGHTING! The only thing cooler would be forcing Komodo Dragons to fight each other.
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do you have even the foggiest idea of how fast i would run if i saw one of those things in real life standing on its hind legs?
Uh....are you sure those two things were fighting? And not....well, shall we say, backing into a parking space?
Gator. Tougher neighborhood upbringing. Kimodo island is wussified except for the (fat, lounging) dragons. Unlike Max, I would stand my ground for a Kimodo Dragon. Here's me: "Oh, did I call you Kimono Dragon? That's right. And what are you going to do now? Try some sit ups."
I'm not anti hunting, and I'm not down with people dog fighting, that being said, why is one considered torture, just because you take its life out in a faster manner.
because hunting doesn't torture the animal, helps with population control of the species, and benefits the species as a whole and its ability to survive in the wild.
I don't know, why is it considered torture when we interrogate "detainees" but not when we kill terrorists on the battlefield? The dogs involved in dog fighting are starved, raped, beaten, electrocuted, forced into violent fights against others who have been through similar circumstances, and then finally get to die when they either get killed in the ring or lose their owner enough money that he mercifully ends their existence with such compassionate releases as drowning. Sure sounds similar to to hunting a deer and shooting it dead for food/sport/population control to me.
I know, I know. I mean can you imagine the western front all completely unbridled and uncivilized... just waiting for you to take a crack at the Oregon Trail? Ridiculous stuff bro. Hunting isn't my thing, my stepdad is into it... I've seen him shoot a cow with a pistol from close range. Not a pretty sight, I don't do well with seeing things get slaughtered. But I don't think hunting animals is cruelty. As you said, it performs a basic ecological service.
stupid analogy, really, you don't understand why killing someone intending to kill you with a gun or bomb is different from torturing someone in prison, or did you intend to mean that deer out in the wild are armed? this is unique to vick in this discussion, I'm talking purely forcing dogs to fight for sport I think its mostly for sport, and that's the point, they both are
The biggest instance of hypocrisy in regard to the Vick situation is how some Major League Baseball players openly admitted they were involved with cockfighting back in their home countries and defended it. Where was the outrage toward that? Vick deserved to do his time because he committed criminal acts and not only that but brought his criminal activity across state lines. He did not, however deserve to be demonized as he was.
You mean wangs, thanks to you quoting it. Maybe the bison can be in those "ripped in four weeks" ads now.
