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Going Rogue

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Vinsanity, Nov 17, 2009.

  1. mc mark

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    Sarah Palin Explains Her Qualifications: No Ivy League Education

    When Bill O'Reilly asked the "very bold and fresh" question of whether she believed she was "smart enough, incisive enough, and intellectual enough to handle the most powerful job in the world," Palin gave a confusing if not entirely unpredictable answer.

     
  2. justtxyank

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    His little speech where he talked about the McCain campaign trying to scare you and say that he didn't look like the presidents or whatever was playing his race.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    It wasn't pimping his race, and his statements were accurate. He did not look like other presidents.

    Furthermore it was in response to his race being brought up elsewhere, not him pushing it to play on people's pity based on a falsehood as was the case with Palin and Trig.
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    black man gets an ivy league education, I guess he didn't have to work hard.
     
  5. basso

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    used it as a shield against criticism.
     
  6. Commodore

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    They determine whether a procedure is covered under the policy, but the policy determines the coverage. A policy is a binding contract, that cannot be legally violated by the insurance company. You can contest their judgement just like any contact dispute. An insurance company that egregiously violated its policies would not be able to attract customers, beyond the legal troubles.

    The government panel is different, it dictates the policy, it dictates to the individual what will and won't be covered.

    If you had a policy that covered all tests, the insurance would cover them. But it would be an expensive policy.

    They get money by charging policy rates commensurate wth the procedures, treatments, and prescriptions covered.

    Disagree, a profit maker is accountable to its customers. A government panel is accountable to no one, they aren't even elected.

    They must offer a qualified plan. That goes for companies larger than X number of employees, creating a disincentive to hire.

    Everyone will be required by law to have a qualified plan. The fact that the policy might not be provided by the government doesn't mean they aren't dictating what's in it.

    I don't watch TV news, complete waste of time.

    If your plan is not a qualified plan you are subject to fines and/or imprisonment under the Pelosi bill.


    They can deny a procedure based on a claim that it isn't covered in the policy. They cannot violate the policy, legally. Otherwise there would be no point to having a policy.

    Ridicule is the last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt.

    The panel issues guidelines at present, but if the Pelosi bill passes it will be empowered to determine what is covered by qualified plans. Their recommendations can be overridden by the HHS secretary, which is why Sec. Sebulius came out and assured everyone she would not allow their recommendations for cancer screenings to go forward. How scary is that, some unelected cabinet official (who may or may not have a medical background) deciding who can get cancer screenings. A death panel of one.

    It's the same panel, I'm at work atm but I'll dig up a link.
     
  7. pgabriel

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    can you provide a specific example like I did.
     
  8. basso

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    Yes, I Can.
     
  9. vlaurelio

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    FULL r****d, answer my question: Does Obama have a death panel which decides to terminate/kill Americans?
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    Thank you for replying.

    Trying to find loopholes from the policy which are often bogus is how they make money. It is why people have died or suffered worse health from denied claims.

    They aren't really accountable when they have a virtual monopoly on coverage and are chosen by the companies in most cases.

    By the way covering people because of company size won't make a company less likely to hire if they need the employees and can make a greater profit.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    basso, I already clarified you're little misdirection and why Obama wasn't pimping his race.

    Thank you for finally admitting Palin was lying about the death panels.
     
  12. basso

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    i think you'd be better served querying the source of your anxiety directly.
     
  13. vlaurelio

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    Answer my question: Does Obama have a death panel which decides to terminate/kill Americans?
     
  14. pgabriel

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    edit:
     
    #334 pgabriel, Nov 23, 2009
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  15. basso

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    no r****d?
     
  16. rhadamanthus

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    No. Ignoring inconveniant counterpoints is the last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt. Ridicule is simply a fun way to point that out.
     
  17. vlaurelio

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    answer my question: Does Obama have a death panel which decides to terminate/kill Americans?
     
  18. Commodore

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    I would not do business with a health care provider if they had a reputation for such behavior. And I certainly wouldn't accept a job from an employer that used such a company as their benefits provider.

    That being said, an insurance company has every right to dispute a claim, otherwise their rates would skyrocket from insurance fraud.

    The fact that they are chosen by the company indicates that there is a choice, not a monopoly. The providers must compete for the company's business, in the form of competitive rates.

    It increases the cost to hire additional employees. At some point the marginal cost to hire is more than the marginal return, and that will happen sooner with these health care mandates.
     
  19. basso

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    thanks, it's all so much clearer now.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    your welcome. It was clear you didn't understand.
     

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