[Going Green] Evidently 200 Countries Agree with Importance of Climate Issues

Sounds flimsy to me. What am I missing here? Promises that aren't binding? That's what all the congratulations are over?

 

That's all there is to it.

 

Yep. Of course we have to remember, for leftists, results are not what is important, it is the "good intentions". And the fact that they agreed on anything. What they agreed on....almost none of them appear to either know or care. The agreement itself is the accomplishment here.

The real measure here will be how little or how much attention that conservative and people who are skeptical about their politically contrived AGW alarmism agenda give to this. As far as I have seen, there does not appear to be much attention being given to it by its opponents.

So far it is not clear what material parts of this agreement should be actively protested or opposed, except the re-distributive funding parts. That requires the approval of Congress, which it is not expected to get. And of course the rest of the agreement is not going to be approved either. Obama made a bunch of promises to these people that he (and most of them) knew would never be carried out.

So, was this gathering nothing more that a massive left-wing circle jerk? For all the world to see, it appears that is exactly what it was.

 

Ah so much crusty cynicism about one's fellow humans of our little bitty planet. Must feel nice to wake each day with the weight of 7 billion disappointments.

 

I see this agreement (if it is actually enacted) as something that may slow down global warming, but not address it or prevent it. It's not enough.

We can not stop industrialization and force significantly higher energy prices onto the world, that itself will be a disaster. What is really needed is the kind of investment in green and nuclear energy (including fusion) that can result in a more substantial decrease in co2.

This agreement does do that. We are better off creating a 10 trillion dollar global fund to figure out fusion power than anything in this agreement.

 

What should energy prices be without subsidizing pollution? I think people forget how much we subsidize energy/pollution, even ignoring climate change.

 

Not to mention that efforts to combat pollution that effect people today also combats climate change so it's killing two birds with one stone.

 

Can we keep this to a fact-based discussion? Where are the teeth in this "historic accomplishment"?

 

Fact-based? So you'll be exiting then?

Sometimes with major issues, just getting more and more people acknowledging that there is an issue is teeth enough.

China has no choice but to clean up its environment if it doesn't want social unrest and to stop losing hundreds of billions in GDP so it's investing in nuclear energy, better grids, electric cars, and green energy. India will be in the same boat soon enough.

 

blah blah general platitudes. You can't even explain clearly what the agreement was!

 

..... Well it has been covered in dozens of news sources. Sorry if I don't want to play your game of moving goal posts. If you actually cared then you'd look it up yourself...

 

Lordy. mojonixon gave me rep for this post. The lack of self-awareness is stunning.

 

actually you are the one who moved the goal posts. You're claiming "more and more people acknowledging there is an issue" is defined as success. What a low bar!

 

Actually that's you putting words in my mouth about "success", since you don't seem to have any sort of argument.... Or you can show me where I "defined success"....?

Considering it requires political will to do anything about global environmental issues... getting 200 countries to agree that the rate we are releasing greenhouse gases annually that have been locked underground for tens to hundreds of millions of years is a step in the right direction. Combating air pollution and water pollutions also combats climate change, it's an issue where you can kill two birds with one stone.

 

Except you don't have 200 countries agreeing to this. You have their leaders there. Obama will have a hell of a time trying to get Congress to enact anything on this topic.

 

So you're conceding where you put words in my mouth... that's good.

Like I said, it's a step in the right direction. The biggest thing is getting more people to agree that the amount of greenhouse gases we are emitting annually is an issue. Countries like China are being forced to act by the cost of pollution and social unrest.

 

To further add, play semantics all you want about who exactly agreeing on what.... but why isn't this seen a positive step forward...?

Let's be honest... if something heavy handed and binding came out of this you would be complaining about that.

 

Absolutely not I am not conceding anything to you. You sound completely ridiculous claiming victory by "getting agreement that we're emitting too much GHG". Pathetically low bar for success.

 

Texx is right. These things don't mean much, sure they recognized the problem, good luck seeing actual things getting done by these 200 governments with zero sanctions and penalties.

it's easy to meet and raise your hands together and celebrate, to actually combat climate change, I don't see them doing anything in the foreseeable future.

 

..... so are you going to show where I "defined success" or claimed "victory". Typical partisan tactics....

Otherwise I just have to chortle at your "fact free discussion".