Harris made old Hasselback eat those words! I bet Hasselback, the former Green Bay backup and Favre had a similar conversation to this during the game.
You're right. Bud Adams had absolutely nothing to do with moving his team out of Houston. His threatening the city since 1969, making public trips to Jacksonville, demanding the city make renovations to the Astrodome, etc., etc., that was all the fans and Bob Lanier's fault. Thanks for clearing that up for the rest of us.
Why are we talking about the Packer's? The only thing on this board should be about the Texans, and anybody that plays the Titans.... Period! There are Packer boards elsewhere.... Find them, dumbass.
Rm95, Bud Adams was a business man, the Astrodome was in TERRIBLE shape, it had been around since 1965, and Bud wanted a football only stadium, or one he could share with the Rockets. From a purely financial point of view, the city of Houston paid at least 3 times more money for the Texans, then they would have paid to keep the Oilers. Bud Adams offered over 100 million of his own money towards the new stadium..... A lot of what was written about Bud Adams was blown out of proportion, he always WANTED to stay in Houston, but got in a pissing match with Bob Lanier.... Bud got a great offer from Nashville, and Lanier thought he was bluffing, he wasn't, and the Oilers left. Personally, I don't blame Bud at all for asking the city for a new stadium he wanted to compete in today's NFL. He did not pack up in the middle of the night like Robert Irsay, he gave Houston a chance to come up with a plan, and they failed, so he looked elsewhere, and got a sweetheart deal. Bud made the RIGHT business choice, and Lanier was a fool for calling his bluff. The city lost out on a ton of money building a new stadium COMPLETELY at the tax payers expense, and we Oiler fans lost our team. However, if you take out emotion, I think Bud did the right thing. DD
Umm...this is the Hangout and I believe you can talk about anything in here except Rockets, basketball, and Houston sports teams, there are forums for those...find them dumbass!
The point I'd like to make is this, and then maybe we can give it all a rest. Bud Adams played the BIGGEST part in all of the move to Tennessee, with emphasis placed on his prior shenanigans about moving to Jacksonville that caused no one in the city to take him seriously when the move talks came again. I hate that dude for that. However, I agree that Bob Lanier did play a role in letting the team go, and I was pretty frustrated that the city was able to rationalize spending money on 3 new stadiums after the Oilers left, and wouldn't be willing to pony up for one while they were still there. So, I basically despise Bob Lanier and Bud Adams, and not the players. The players wanted to stay, and had NO CHOICE in the matter. Let's use this analogy, and hope it kinda works. People keep saying that the Titans are like the ex-girlfriend that dumped you, right? Well, I see it more like this. The team is more like the girl you love, while Bud Adams is like the overly controlling parents who say you can't date the girl, and lock her up in her room so she can't visit you. You don't hate the girl because even though she still loves you, her parents are a-holes, right? You either a) give up on it because the parents aren't worth it, b) still show feelings for the girl because she still loves you, you still love her, no matter what obstacle is there, or c) say f**k it, and move on to another girl. I don't see where animosity towards "the girl" would ever come into play, unless you are still bitter that "the girl" gave up a 32 point lead to Buffalo...I mean, "the girl" slept with your friend. But that was before the move anyway. Hate the Titans? Fine. That doesn't bother me. Don't feel people like me can like both the Titans and Texans? I don't care about that either. But I really don't see how someone hates the players and coach for something they had no willing part in. For me, they will be the team I love first, (yes, even against the Texans) because I grew up with the players and that organization. I will really, really like the Texans, I will love the Titans, despite their flawed past. Rant over. I hope my point comes across. And this wasn't directed at any one person- I just feel that the people who still love the Titans feel the same way I do, and don't understand the animosity based solely on the move itself. That's all.
DD, the fact that it wasn't put to the public was horrifically wrong, IMO. The media's bias towards not letting people know about a "Save Our Oilers" was beyond the pail! That said, Bud was always a member of the "Lucky Sperm" club and was dubiously known for always doing things at the wrong place at the wrong time, other than his deal with Lamar Hunt, of course. You can back him if you want, but every time he talked about "needing" more from the city, I wanted to vomit. He made money on that team hand over fist from his original like 500K investment. The deal breaker, and rightfully so, was not even 5 years after we had done these renovations on the Astrodome, and torn every bit of Character out of a once great stadium, he came back and demanded we give him more or he was leaving. Don't get me wrong, I would've given my right arm if the team had stayed, but in retrospect, he needed to be shown the door. And I will be a Titan's hater for life.
Fatty, Bud was right though, the Astrodome was a FRICKEN armpit. Bud saw that the dynamics of the NFL were changing, he needed to get in on the PSL deal, as well as the luxury box situation. He could get none of that at the Astrodome. He said that the Astrodome sucked, and McLane came out and said it was a great place to watch a game.....then the year after Bud left, Mclane turns around and says the Astrodome sucks and HE needs a new stadium. Bud Adams brought the city NFL football, he brought Warren Moon, he spent money on players trying to win, he may have been an a$$ to some, but in reality, he tried like hades to win, and before the Rockets won the championship, the Oilers had the last major championship for the city of Houston in 60 & 61. Bud was arrogant, no doubt, but he also was right on the money, and people forget about that.......he got run out of town as much as he ran himself out of town. And, the city paid THREE times the fricken money for a new franchise that a lot of us have ZERO ties too. I grew up an Oiler fan, I suffered through two consecutive 1-13 seasons, I suffered through Bill Pederson's tenure, I suffered as Bum refused to hire an offensive coordinator and got canned, and I absolutley love the way Steve McNair, Eddie George, and Jeff Fisher carry themselves with class..... So....I still root for the Titans, and kind of for the Texans, but truthfully, my lifelong love of the NFL is not even close to what it once was with the Oilers. Ah well, my Sundays are filled with family stuff now, and that is much more important. But back to topic, Bud was a business man making a business decision, and Bob Lanier was a moron. DD
PSL or not, he made his bed, and he deserved to sleep in it! If I get a $50,000 signing bonus to go to a company, and my friend gets a $180,000 signing bonus(true statement), I can't complain to my boss that I deserve that. Why should he? Because people's heart's are with that team? Bud tried, and got, even at 77 years old when he has more money than he can spend, to seive this town of more because he simply saw his brethren get it. Again, Dakota, had this been an isolated incident, I'd be behind you 100%. When every one of my friends told me I was an idiot for backing Bud, my excuse was always "the old man will be dead soon, and this is my team for life!" No more. Call me a jaded ex-husband, but they will always be on my Most Hated list, player character or not. And it's a shame. Eddie George is a class act. But the fact that when the Titan's won the AFC for the FIRST time, Jeff "Freddy Mercury" Fisher had the audacity to come in front of a national audience and say... "I know the people of Tennessee have waited a long time for this" was the last straw. The team can go to hell.
You know, I don't even care about who was to blame for the team leaving. They're not my team. They aren't from Houston anymore. They don't play in the city. They are division rivals to the Texans - you know, the team that is from Houston. They aren't even in the state. They aren't called the Oilers. The Oilers, in fact, don't exist anymore. Hell, the players that were around when the Oilers did exist are going to slowly fade out of the Titan picture. So why should I care again? My last NFL home team is gone. They went away the day the organization packed up and left the city. Hell, left the state. I have a new team now. So I think I'm pretty justified in not rooting for the Titans. But that's just me.
For me I never rooted against the Titans for awhile after they left. They still had Bruce Matthews so it was impossible for me to root against him. But now hes gone along with Robertson and bishop and a few other players who played in Houston for a while. Now they're all gone. Its okay to root against them now, theyre a divison rival and with little traces from Houston left. So why not hate them now?
was wondering how many people here will be attending next year's game when the Pack visit Houston? I'm not really sure of the date, all I know for sure is that it is going to happen. Having family in both in Wisconsin(Milwaukee) and Houston I can see lots of trash talking and side bets. my brothers and sister are both Packer fans. and all of my aunts and uncles and cousins and friends are Texan fans. When I go to the game I'll paint half of my face green and gold and the other red, white and blue. If I had to pick just one sports team to support and spend my hard earned money on, without a doubt no questions about it, it would be the Rockets. But when it comes to football you have to have a team. I just happen to follow two football teams. A co-worker of mine once gave me tons of BS because of this and I told him if he can have two faces I can have two football teams. I know it sounds hypocritical but no one's gonna give me **** just because I support two teams. I got to have something to talk to my family about
Pack vs. Philly: This game is really interesting to me because I see two distinct styles. The packers have better individual players and Philly has the better team. Two completely different appraoches to winning. My own personal thoought is that the Packers have too much talent for Philly. Packers in a possible romp. Thinking of the sexiest superbowls off the top of my head: 1. KC- Rams 2. Titans - Rams II 3. Indy - GBay 4. Indy - Rams 5. NEngland - Rams II 6. NEngland - GBay god Forbid Carolina makes it.
Think what you want about who's to blame for the Oilers leaving, but this statement is simply not true. Both the Rodeo and the Texans contributed financially to Reliant Stadium construction. The Texans' share was roughly $50 million and the Rodeo had a larger amount they were to contribute. The taxpayer cost ended up being $294.7 million (324.7 million less $30 million - the county's share of the naming rights). I'm also pretty sure Bud Adams was asking for a larger public share for his stadium than $98 million. But either way, I don't know a single politician who simply hands over the keys to the castle when asked, which seems to be what Lanier was supposed to do. Bud asked for a stadium that was, in all actuality, needed to replace the Astrodome. So Lanier should've given him one (despite not having the authority to do so on his own). Of course, I would've thought the county, rather than the city, would be the place to go for a stadium since they built the last one. But they get off blameless in the whole debate.
