You want to talk about an American PR nightmare try bombing the heartland of the Islamic community. Listen, I understand your arguement but going after Saudi Arabia in the same manner as we are with Iraq is impractical. The gulf war gave birth to alot of anti-american sentiment because of the "nonbelievers" occupying "holy land". Comparing Saddam's acts to those of the Saudi royalty is off base. One of the many problems with the current engagement of the war on terrorism is we have many countries in the middle-east region that have few democracies. F.D. Khan is obviously opposed to these totalitarian regimes and I applaud him for that. But we have to remember Saddam's regime is more so malevolent because this man is producing weapons of mass destruction despite UN resolutions that call for his disarmament. Now I ask you, how is any other country more threatening than one that has defied 17 resolutions that call for nothing more than its disarming? How could any other country appear more malicious? I agree there are other threats but the war on terror has to start somewhere and Iraq clearly needs to present itself as incapable of harming another human entity. Saddam needs to respect the good will of the international community.
Are you sure? I hear a lot of people in Iraq want this to happen. Get your head out of your ass dude. And stop implying that the death of all those people in 9/11 is no big deal since people die in other wars. That's just terrible.
One thing that is very <i>strange</i> is that we promote democracy to the world and yet I can't think of any country where we have such a good relation with a country that is not a democracy - except Saudi Arabia.
32 other countries I suppose were "misguided" as well since they joined the alliance. Its very intriguing to me that someone who promotes multilateralism in a potential Iraq conflict, found the previous one trivial. My god! What was America thinking? We should had allowed Iraq to annex Kuwait in an avaricious attempt to expand its ruthless brutality upon the innocent Kuwaiti people. Why do you empathize with the Iraqi people who you deem victims of the US sanctions but ignore the brutality they endure everyday with this tyrannical regime? What about the Kuwaiti people? Kurds? The Sunnis? Iranians? Why do you so readily empathize with Saddam Hussein and attempt to rationalize his barbarism? Do you know how thankful and relieved the Kuwaiti people are for the alliance that ran Iraq out?
Are you honestly trying to tell me that the Iraqi army was not massed on the Kuwait/Iraq border w/ Saudi before January 15, 1991? I suppose that the two Iraqi corps that rampaged throughout Kuwait between August 1990 and February 1991 weren't really Iraqi soldiers? Perhaps in your alternate reality they were really American CIA paramilitaries, and it was all just a setup? Good Lord, glynch. Please, please just look at any - *any* - historical account of the Gulf War. You are probably the only person on the planet who would claim that the Iraqi army really wasn't there before Jan 15 1991. Even Peter Arnett wouldn't make such a ridiculous and obviously false claim. But we can debate it if you really want to. As for slant drilling wrt Iraq/Kuwait, that was not the real reason. The real reason was to pay off the huge debt accumulated during the 80-88 Iran/Iraq war, and a far more ominous one: it would have been the first step in Saddam's quest to become the ruler of the Arab world. That has always been his long-term goal, and is the Baath party's platform centerpiece. The slant drilling issue was just an excuse, and if you fell for that, then count yourself among the "hoodwinked by Saddam" club.
fatfatcow, learn how to type and I will play **** you ball with you, until then, it is too hard to even try to figure out what the hell you are saying
Treeman: Are you honestly trying to tell me that the Iraqi army was not massed on the Kuwait/Iraq border w/ Saudi before January 15, 1991? I suppose that the two Iraqi corps that rampaged throughout Kuwait between August 1990 and February 1991 weren't really Iraqi soldiers? Perhaps in your alternate reality they were really American CIA paramilitaries, and it was all just a setup? 1) The fact that Iraqi troops were in Kuwait does not mean they were massed on the Saudi border to attack Iraq. Apples and oranges, Treeman. 2) The story of how the US used fake satellite photos to convince the Saudis of this has not been refuted. 3) You'll have to excuse me if I don't accept your asertion on your own say so. I will admit it was the official US story of the day. QUOTE: *********************************** Journalists should always be wary of implying unquestioning faith in official assertions; recent history is full of official claims based on satellite and other intelligence data that later turned out to be false or dubious. After Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, the first Bush administration rallied support for sending troops to Saudi Arabia by asserting that classified satellite photos showed the Iraqi army mobilizing on the Saudi border. This claim was later discredited when the St. Petersburg Times obtained commercial satellite photos showing no such build-up (Second Front, John R. MacArthur). The Clinton administration justified a cruise missile attack on the Sudan by saying that intelligence showed that the target was a chemical weapons factory; later investigation showed it to be a pharmaceutical factory (London Independent, Fair article on false story of Iraqi troops massing on Saudi border in 1991
Oh, please. I asked you to read *any* account of the Gulf War history, glynch. You throw a FAIR article at me? You are somewhat aware that they are not exactly an unbiased source, are you not (right up there with antiwar.com)? Again, do not take my word for it. Read *any* factual account of the Gulf War, glynch; that is my evidence - every single factual account of the Gulf War ever published. Take your pick. The undeniable fact of the matter is that a very large chunk of the Iraqi army was positioned right over the border inside and around Kuwait, within striking distance of the Saudi coastal ccities within 24 hours notice. That is absolutely undeniable, and was not a satellite image-fabrication - news crews taped their exploits in Kuwait for the world to see. What did they intend to do with that army? Only Saddam knows, since he neither said "This is all we're taking" nor "We intend to drive into Saudi next"... But the army was there, starting in early August - long before we attacked. C'mon, I dare you to dispute that. Your pathetic attempts at promulgating ridiculous (and hardly unbiased, I might add) conspiracy theories in an attempt to make us look like the bad guys in 1991 are usually amusing, glynch, because it is usually crystal clear that you are the only one that believes them. But when you imply that the whole Gulf War exercise was just cooked up by us for some nefarious (and unfathomable) purpose, and you throw out extremely doubtfuI evidence to support your claims, have to challenge you on it. Lies won't do on that one.
