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Giving this non Harden game too much credit

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets4lf, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. SF3isBack!!

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    LMAO
     
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    and this is the response for someone who doesn't understand actual objective criticism. there's a way to actually find topics that this board can discuss. you want to add to potential good dialogue? why not post something along the lines of what can we take away from this game vs a full GS team without harden? That opens its up to a variety of discussion/options

    "rockets will be trash" is definitely not one of them. making a thread and pointing out too much credit without harden isn't one of them. that game showed plenty of things and none of which your posts is remotely close to what's important. but your agenda sure had to be stressed though. #trash
     
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    When all someone can do is beat a horribly exaggerated strawman, you really have no argument then.
     
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    The Warriors don't rely on one guy every game and we shouldn't either. I worry about the over use of Harden. It's a marathon not a sprint, and in the playoffs, he's not going to get all the calls.
     
  5. Nook

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    James Harden is the least of the Rockets problems. I am not sure why it so often comes down to something James Harden did or didn't do, that needs to be changed.

    The bigger concern is rebounding...... who is getting the minutes at the 4........ can the Rockets defend well enough...... and will the options we have at the 3/4 hit enough long range shots.
     
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    If you say so. Paul walked the ball up several times same as Harden the only difference was Faried was in the starting lineup catching offensive rebounds and making our defense better and guys who dont normally make wide open shots were making them. You are turning this into something its not. Finding a problem in the only solution we've had all year. Its pretty disgusting. These guys have played like **** all year and you take one game where they are not and pin it on the only guy who has helped all season not being there its just stupid to me... its ridiculous.
     
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    And can we generate more efficient shots in the 4th quarter that aren't step back 3 pt chucks with tired legs that generate absolutely horrible efficiency (look at Harden's 3pt % in the 4th). You are ignoring a significant concern that leads to utter collapses in the 4th quarter. It's a blind spot just to place Harden on an infallible pedestal.
     
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    You honestly believe I'm making these observations from one game? I've witnessed countless times where the Rockets have a lead anywhere from.15-30 pts this season magically vanishes because Harden spams the same move for 6 straight possessions in the 4th quarter.

    Also, yes our pace with Harden out improved by 9 possessions. The average amount of possessions is 97.9 and the Rockets had 107 possessions against the Warriors .
     
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    I don’t know how you can’t be excited about CP’s performance. It showed that he still has a few more miles on those legs, and with a healthy Harden they can potentially compete again with the Warriors, or any other team for that matter, if we meet in the playoffs.

    As Rockets fans we should be excited that Faried and Capela look good together, and that PJ at the 3 looked like it helped his game.

    When healthy, CP has operated like that his whole career. It wasn’t just one fluke game. He’s always been an elite playmaker when healthy. He isn’t as quick as a 23 year old CP, but he may still be quick enough to help us get over the hump come playoff time. His IQ and passing ability definitely have not diminished.

    A healthy CP is the perfect compliment to the Beard.

    Don’t be sour about it. Celebrate it.
     
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    https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/1...n-leads-timberwolves-pelicans-pistons-raptors

    Last season, comebacks from 15-points-or-more deficits occurred in 11 percent of NBA games played, as opposed to just six percent in the prior 15 seasons combined.

    Big comebacks are on the rise league wide. Creating and keeping huge leads isn’t as easy as you make it out to be. Health more than anything would have secured more wins for this team.
     
  11. SF3isBack!!

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    What are you talking about? I swear for christ you guys have the reading comprehension of geese. When did say CP3 didnt have a good game? or that I wasnt excited or happy about it? I'll wait please show me a quote.
     
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    So now all of our leads being "vanished" is all Hardens fault too? SMH
     
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    James Harden is fallible, everyone is. There have been times that I have questioned his shot selection.

    I am more concerned about the team defense in the 4th quarter than the shot selection by James Harden.

    Most of the collapses in the 4th quarter that I have witnessed were due to poor team defense or Harden carrying an incredible load.
     
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    It's definitely a large part of the problem. Our lack of variety with offensive plays allows team defenses to easily predict how to defend.
     
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    a ton of positive aspects to take away from saturday night for what's been a roller coaster of a season thus far.

    but apparently according to some, rockets are trash and giving too much credit without harden is supposed to be the big highlight bulletin point and ok
     
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    And with this post im done talking to you people. Clearly looking for any and every excuse to blame Harden for whatever reason when he is having a historic season.
     
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    Or Harden shooting us out of a lead or Harden staying on one side of the court for 3 possessions because he's angry at the refs which causes a downward spiral akin to a small snowball growing at a rapid rate going down hill.

    My main point with Harden is he has to learn how to make moves quicker in the shot clock to start the offense and he needs to learn how to be useful without the ball. I've seen some small flashes in the last few games with CP3 and Harden where Harden is willing to do a back door cut. We need more of that. Unfortunately many of these habits of Harden are a product of habit and might take an entire off-season to improve upon in a substantial way.
     
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  18. Nook

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    Poor defense and rebounding has been a far bigger contributor to blowing 4th quarter leads than the plays the Rockets have ran on offense.

    The Rockets are by design going to have a certain amount of variance in effectiveness on offense through a game.... last year it was not much of an issue because the Rockets defended and rebounded. This year they have not defended well and have been out rebounded. That is a formula for blowing big leads.

    As I said, Harden has taken some shots that I raised an eyebrow over but nothing like the lack of rebounding or defending.
     
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    You want to know why everyone is complaining about the complainer?

    > OP gives a no-substance statement like "we're trash without Harden" without any stats to actually back him up. I think we're 2-2 without Harden this season. Hardly the gold standard for being labeled "trash."
    > OP doesn't give credit to the team at all, for overachieving against the best team in the league. Not to Paul for having a good game. Not to Tucker for being an 2-way machine. Not to Faried who's showing out. No one.
    > Has no faith in the role players and all "the other trash." His words, not mine.

    Rockets could have folded, thus strengthening the OP's argument of why this team is "trash." Yet, they went INTO Oracle, probably the hardest place to play in the NBA, and beat the fully healthy defending champions, despite Draymond going down.

    To recap: OP labels this team as garbage, gives no credit to anyone and has placed Harden on a pedestal. Doesn't sound like a Rockets fan - sounds more like a Harden fan. And you sound ridiculous for defending his no-substance viewpoint.
     
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  20. Nook

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    Yeah when you question Harden's effort, you are not going to get any agreement with me. You can point to the time that Harden went out of bounds or was upset, but that is a pittance compared to the times the defense was poor or the Rockets didn't secure rebounds.

    How Harden does late in the 4th is something to keep an eye on, and I will admit that sometimes he isn't perfect by any stretch. However I think having a healthy Paul/Capela/Shumpert will help somewhat with that. I am far more concerned with the defense and rebounding though.
     
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