Given today's news, will Yao and Francis be with this team in 3 years???.........

If you still feel that Les had nothing to do with with Rudy leaving and that it was entirely up to Rudy, you are a fool and do not deserve a reply..

 

The Yao/Steve staying here being a direct correlation between how much Aleander is willing to pay a coach is quite a stretch.
But your understanding about what transpired with Rudy is a joke.

Even as the Chronicle tripped all over itself to spare Rudy any furthur indignity, everyone knew he was forced out. Now, we have Rocket's fans accusing him of blindsiding this franchise. I wish Rudy would tell the Rockets to just go to hell.

 

I think it would take something DISASTEROUS (e.g. a 500 or sub 500 record or change in ownership) to move either Francis or Yao off the roster. Right now, these two are the keystones to the roster, and whoever coach we bring in, to be on the same page as Les, CD, and us, the fans, has to believe as such. Else, why entertain the candidate at all? As to fiscal management, I'm happy Les is NOT getting involved in a "bidding war". These every escalating pay scales for players AND coaches need to be curbed. And next to fans who go on strike, its up to NBA owners to show restraint in getting into biddinger wars.

However, such restraint is COINCIDENT with our interests and the interests of the team. Had Les went back and offered a higher counter bid for Brown, AND we lost him... imagine how expense it would be for us to get JVG or Dunleavy??? The question is not "whether Les could've afforded to pay Brown" but rather "should he be paying so much for ANY coach?" If one were to allocate $$$s btw improving player personnel and team coaching, I would believe the delicate balance is always tipped in favor of upgrading the player personnel.

As to RudyT's remaining monies due to him... that's a tough call. I'm sure in the entire "budget" equation, it no doubt plays a role in how much we're willing to pay for a coach. However, I DO think that market rates for coaches are around $5/year for top tier coaches. Overpaying for coaching talent... who, UNLIKE A PLAYER, can resign (albeit also forfeit some monies) at will... one has to be careful not to give too much of the farm away to Coach ABC.



theSAGE

 

True enough Franchise got the max. But Taylor and Cato would have to put there salaries together (15mil/yr) to qualify for max status.

 

I've said all along that once you overpaid (Taylor, Cato and Norris) in these days of salary cap- luxury tax environment, that will definitely come back to haunt you BIG TIME in the future.

"They wouldn't sign a coach while still paying Rudy big numbers" can also translate to "They wouldn't sign a player (say Yao) while still paying Taylor, Cato, Norris big numbers", can't it?

BTW, the Brown money is NOT "ridiculous" at all. It's his market value. You are worth where the market is willing to pay you. Just like Yao for the max money in the future will be his market value.

You said it. But isn't that resigning Yao (alongwith all the current deals) will instantly put the Rockets into the luxury tax, no?

Deuce Rings, good posts. It's a legit concern.

 

I'm no debater and I can care less what anyone on this BBS thinks is a troll or dumb or smart.

Face it, most, not all of the people in this BBS was thinking LB when he was available. Now, did the Rockets lose LB because of $$? Probably. Did Rudy's last 2 years due play a part in the decision? Likely.

But does it matter? I don't recall, other than Phil Jackson jumping into the Lakers situation, that a coach WAS the difference in WINNING the championship. Then again, Shaq and Kobe are 2 pretty good players to have when one trys to win one.

Now, will Ming and Steve be Shaq and Kobe like in leading the Rockets to the promise land again? Maybe.

Would LB have a better chance of getting there AND winning with the Rockets or Detroit? That, I believe also played a major part for LB. The Rockets are not ready and will not be in the finals for at least a few more years. Detroit can be there next year. And if the contract with Detroit was really incentive based then reaching the finals and making the extra $$$ would be a primary concern the LB.

Anyway, LB is gone so it's probably the Mike D guy. BTW, IMO, Rudy could have done a better job if he had Ming for training camp and realized that Ming CAN be a big part of the Rockets instead of "finding out" 20 games into the season and trying to change the team to make Ming the man instead of Steve.

 

Yao Ming won't go anywhere unless he demands it.

You'd be naive to think otherwise...

 

Not getting LB may actually help Yao and Steve possibly stay on the Rockets even longer.

If LB came and then left about the time either of these guys contracts were up, they may not want to stick around for another new coach. But if they get someone who is going to be around and loyal to the team for a long time, then when the players are ready to resign, and the coach who they have now developed a relationship with is STILL IN Houston, they will want to still play for that coach.

 

Some of you need to go back and read Rockets03's post. Rudy's money, I imagine, has to play a role here.

And Deuce Rings, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, please learn to put your quotes into a single post. Clicking the thread only to find out the brunt of it is you insulting the board in continuous posts is a little disheartening.

 

in the parlance of the board, maybe, maybe no. you know our bad deals do eventually run out, right? assuming we sign yao, his extension starts in 3 years. guess who's contract ends then, my man cato's. that's $7M or so gone. rice ends next year, that's $9M. i think taylor ends in 4 years (it's been 2 of 6 right?) so that would only be one year to bite the bullet. matt maloney's should end some time in the next century. moochie ends in 4 years. the only concerns are posey, cat (if we keep him) will be up for resigning in 3 years i think (6 year deal, 3 gone right?), and EG. but basically all the crap deals come off when yao resigns or we only have to bite the bullet for 1 more year. i'm not that worried over it all. plus, lots of things (i.e. trades will happen in the next 3 years) that could affect it all.

 

Francis contract is $85 MIL/7 seasons (the max) and per CBA guidelines, Yao's won't be that far off (definitely not over $100 MIL).

I believe $100 MIL contracts are not even possible anymore under the CBA.

Our payroll is projected to be around $26 MIL (this includes the Francis contract) once its time to resign Yao. This leaves us plenty of room to resign Yao and keep Francis.

Of course, this is highly dependant on future roster moves and what not. I don't see us getting pushed into luxury tax areas though.

Boston - Walker, Peirce and Baker

Miami - Grant, Jones (Mourning is a FA, but they were paying him over $100 MIL)

Orlando - McGrady and Hill

Philly - Iverson and Van Horn

Toronto - Carter and Davis

Dallas - LaFrentz, Nowitzki, Finley and Van Exel

Minnesota - Szerbiak and Garnett

Lakers - O'Neal and Bryant

Suns - Hardaway, Marbury and Marion

Blazers - Soutdamire, Wallace and Pippen

Kings - Bibby, Webber and Divac

 

when Yao Ming becomes a free agent no team can offer him more than the Rockets. Remember Chris Webber?

 

Deuce Rings,

NO ONE can offer Yao $100 MIL plus. It is absolutely impossible under the CBA guidelines. That is why players like Francis, Carter and Pierce are only getting contracts in the $70-$85 mil range.

Everyone on my list makes in excess of $10 - $12 MIL per year (more in a few cases). Here is the link to my source: http://www.dfw.net/~patricia/contracts

 

Here's something to look forward to...

Matt Maloney will only be on the Rockets payroll for TWO MORE SEASONS!!!

 

why is Matt Maloney still on the payroll. Shouldn't that have transfered over to Chicago when the rockets traded or released him or whatever?