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give yao the damn ball man

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by iku, Nov 14, 2008.

  1. withYAO

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    It's very important to teach our players WHEN and HOW to pass the ball to Yao.
     
  2. leebigez

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    My coach used to say, if you're not getting the ball enough, get some offensive rebounds. The rox had 40 misses, if we take out yao's 5 misses, that leave 35 offensive rebounds. How many did he get?
     
  3. wizkid83

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    It doesn't always take fronting, there are other ways to take Yao out (have another defender "cheat" on his guy and get just a little closer to Yao for the quicker double. I've also seen other defenders giving our guards a lot of space when the ball is on Yao's side of the court.
     
  4. MandM's

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    Our guards pass like Chinese National Team guards.

    Crap.

    No way to win if Yao doesn't get the ball...only 9 shots?

    WTF
     
  5. wizkid83

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    I don't know, after 3 coaches and large number of players that have come and gone, at some point the idea that his teamates just doesn't know how to get Yao the ball needs to be re-examined. This was the same thing that was contested 7 years ago about Francis and Mobley under Rudy, and now the same thing that is contested about T-Mac and Brooks and Adelman. Like I've said, at some point we have to dig a little deeper.
     
  6. jacuzzi

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    Dont insult the Chinese PGs.
     
  7. choujie

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    Those are excuese. Last year when Tmac was out, Yao got so many touches, despite Tmac being the best passer to Yao.

    It's not how teams defend Yao, it's how much effort Rockets players tried to get him the ball. Right now this team is playing VERY selfish basket ball, everybody is looking to score. Of course it's much easier to shoot than pass the ball to Yao. I've seen plenty times when Yao sealed his man under the basket, only to find out his teammates took a contest jump shot or dribbled until he had to go out from paint. Tha'ts a major reason Yao is so ineffective recently.
     
  8. jacuzzi

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    To sum up, RA is NOT a strong figure like JVG
     
  9. choujie

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    That's not true. Under JVG, Yao got the ball. Without Tmac in the lineup last season, Yao got the ball. During the winning streak, Yao got the ball.
     
  10. wizkid83

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    And we lost a lot of those games because we played right into defense's hands.
     
  11. RocketsHero

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    Did your coach also say drive the ball instead of long jumper which result in long rebound?
     
  12. tiger0330

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    not sure if Yao not getting enough touches is the problem. How many times did he kick the ball out when the double came. Yao is better in a jvg offense where he posts and reposts to get deeper position, that's the way to maximize Yaos soft touch. Like the other poster wrote, Yao has limited ability to put the ball on the floor or the mobility to play effectively in a motion offense.
     
  13. choujie

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    We also won a lot games because of Yao. The thing you ignored is Yao was never really effecive in 4th quarter because he usually is tired by then, but JVG had no choice since Rockets didn't have much talent. Now it's a different story, RA doesn't even utilize Yao when he is fresh.
     
  14. wizkid83

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    Or that defensive intensity picks up and it makes it easier to disrupt a more predictive offfense. I'm not arguing against getting Yao the ball. I just want people to know that it's not as black and white as "all his teamates are selfish" or "the offense doesn't go through Yao because the coach doesn't get it".
     
  15. leebigez

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    Has anyone ever thought that yao isn't as good as people want to think? I mean how many guards can't get him the ball? Has anyone thought that maybe Yao doesn't give a good target. What about him touching the ball in good position and not shooting? What about that crucial turnover in the 4th when the spurs were making ther run? Hwta about being aggessive when you get it instead of waiting on a double team?
     
  16. steam03

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    Because they are starting to run the princeton..

    adelman needs to adjust his system to suit the players...he's using his previous system with the kings where Divac doesn't shoot 12shots, 16shots nor 17 shots...Divac was used to pass the ball

    He used Peja Bibby to do those 17 shots 18 shots...

    He's doing the same thing now but unfortunately he forgot Yao has a much better attack than Divac but with a much worse passing ability. Unless Tmac starts hitting like Peja and Rafer starts hitting like Bibby...Adelman needs to change his plays.
     
  17. steam03

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    You gotta know what plays Adelman was running...

    I think you understand that players don't do whatever they want on the court. Players don't just catch the ball and decide to take it agressively without even waiting for the play to develop. Yao holds in the post to wait for his teammates to run around and get into position to carry out a play...This is not NBA Live

    We are sucking at the moment because the players cannot execute, cannot hit shots, including Yao. Adelman's plays need a lot of polishing and perhaps changes to suit his current team, not his old Sac Kings...
     
  18. choujie

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    His teammatea are playing very selfish this season on both ends of the floor. How many times did somebody took a foul for Yao this year? How many times did you see Yao wend for a block to disrupt a shot, only to see his man is totally uncovered under the basket? How many times you see Yao sealed his man under the basket but his teammate didn't even try to look at him? That happens a lot this year. Yao has his fault, but the team playing selfish ball is the biggest reason he is so ineffective.
     
  19. abc2007

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    quote for truth!

     
  20. leebigez

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    Instincts is huge in basketball and yao doesn't have good ones. I've said this a million times, the difference between a great pivot and yao is attitude and instincts. As a great pivot, the double has to be perfect with the perfect people because that pivot always had a counter move. Lets use Hakeem who was a great pivot. You could double him, but if it wasn't at the right time with the right people at the right side of the court,it didn't matter. If Dream got the ball and you ran a small guy at him, the double had to get there as soon as the ball. If it didn't, dream would just spin baseline and shot over the top. The rox throw to yao, he waits to see what happens after 3 secs, starts to back up, then they might send another double but by this time the shot clock is running down. I mean at some point people need to look at yao and say he's not that good unless all variable are perfect. Well in sports, its not going to be perfect.
     

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