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Give Rafer props

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by binvegas, Feb 23, 2007.

  1. Nice Rollin

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    he was so happy. he finally made one!
     
  2. Nice Rollin

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    i love the picture. it's one of the few times he has made that shot. im sure we can come up with a picture for each time he has made it. yall want a positive statement?.......i hope he can start finishing that shot more often
     
  3. kyodidi86

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    Rafer's show is amazing today~!Amazing floaters!Exact as Tony Parker's tip!and also he is the man on defensive court~i think this kind of "skip to my lou" is exactly what we need!
     
  4. tmega21

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    PLEASE stop suggesting that we get a shooting PG trapped in a SG body like Mo Williams, that would be the absolute worst thing the Rockets could do right now...we want TMac and Yao shooting the ball, I dont think that is a hard concept...we need a PG whose specialty is getting the ball to those players, which is what Rafer does. His shooting is a plus. I would love to see the faces of people around here watching Mo Williams pull a Mike James and wave off TMac. His A/TO is less than 2...he's a better scorer than Rafer for sure, sometimes I think scorer gets mistaken for player around here. Just b'c you can shoot and shoot a high % does NOT make you a good all around player. If you were starting a team tomorrow and needed a PG to be a centerpiece of your team you'd take Mo over Rafer everyday of the week, but if you're in the situation we are now with two established SUPERstars, you don't want a ball controlling point, thats so counterproductive it's not even funny.
     
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  6. plutoblue11

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    Why would u want him?

    1. Not a good defender.

    2. over 30

    3. over rated.....

    4. He hasn't won anything, even being on the best offensive teams in the league for last six years.
     
  7. tmega21

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    Whoa...slow down...Nash is the envy of every NBA team. His D actually gets a bad rap if you watch his games, his on ball D isn't eye popping but he's worked hard to become a very good help defender, probably takes 2 charges a game. His offense abilities would translate into any system. Not only is he a superb ball handler and passer his shot is deadly effective. We would want Nash, I promise, no matter how much he makes.
     
  8. SlamIt

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    Just want to give Rafer props and pay my respect. He impresses me more and more and his shooting is improving, although his shots around the basket could still be better. But the most important is his ball handling and running plays, especially when T-Mac is not doing that. Without him, this team is going nowhere because it would then be too much a burden on T-Mac to do everything. Head is just not able to handle PG position, skillwise now and talent wise.
     
  9. Nice Rollin

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    nope.....i dont bash players. im just not biased when it comes to talkin about someone on my team
     
  10. Nice Rollin

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    like i said. some of you need to start watching some other teams in this league. get some kind of league pass or something. if you did, you wouldnt be saying **** like this
     
  11. Nice Rollin

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    this is ****in hillarious! excuse my language
     
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    i didnt even read this whole thing.......Rafer is not a shooting pg??? i think he shot the ball 18 times last night.....and shoots about 14 shots a game? when does a player become a "shooting" player
     
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    When they look to create their own shot off the dribble...Mo Williams dribbles to set up his own jumpers...Just looked at 82games.com and 60% of his jump shots are assisted I would venture to say another big majority of the non assisted are when he dribbles up the court and is simply not picked up and he fires from deep. All that boils down to is he is primarily taking jumpers set up by TMac and Yao, the two people who should have the ball in our offense. A grand total of 53% of Rafers shots (jumpers and drives to the basket were assisted)...while on the flip side Mo Williams shoots 80% jump shots on which only 42% are assisted and a grand total of 38.5% of his shots being assisted...THAT is the difference between a ball dominating shot first point and a complimentary pass first point.
     
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    thx. i really needed that laugh.

    probably when he is the only player capabale of creating something offensively and his coach tells him to shoot.
     
  15. Nice Rollin

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    mo williams has nobody on his team. look how well mo williams shoots off the dribble.....i wonder what he'd do with wide open shots.
     
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    Last year his numbers were even worse with a healthy Michael Redd all season...but this is pointless discussing Mo Williams...the thing is Rafer is a MUCH better player and fit for this team than you give him credit for. If you would like to continue this conversation then please respond in a reasonable fashion with reasons why rafer doesn't fit in with our team and an explanation of what we need him to do. Otherwise quit your senseless bashing and admit you are wrong.
     
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    Who exactly are you comparing Rafer Alston to when you say he's the best fit for our team? Obviously you cant compare him to Nash, cuz we're not getting him. He's much better than Kevin Ollie. I'd much rather have Alston than Kevin Ollie, Jacque Vaughn, and Andre Barret...A perfect pg in our system is a guy who can spot up shoot and finish at the basket...I dont know if you've been watching, but teams are disrespecting Alston at the three point line, just inviting him to shoot. Thats why he's taking 17 shots a game...He's so inconsistent its not even funny. First of all if you dont have a problem with a PG shooting 10 threes, something is wrong with you. I'm pulling for Rafer. I'm glad he went 6-10 from behind the arc against Miami. But if he misses those (like he usually does) we lose that game. And why do we lose that game? Cuz of Alston. He can't make the open 3. We gotta make teams pay if they're gonna leave us open.



    But ok. I'll try to agree. Maybe if i tell myself rafer is the greatest pg in rockets history, and he can do no wrong, I'll believe it...we dont need a backup point guard...im glad we didn't get another PG before the trade deadline. Rafer will play 38 mins every night....
    Is that what you wanna hear?

    alston is a good backup pg....and if he's the best fit for our team, than anyone who can shoot wide open threes and a floater is
     
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    we have people who would take Alston over Nash. some people just need to watch the NBA and not just the Rockets
     
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    I can pretty confidently say I watch more NBA ball than you, I have league pass, which I bought specifically to watch the Rox since I can't get them at college but I bet on 3/4 NBA games a night so I usually end of watching games the majority of the time between 6-11 any day of the week.

    With that being said I think the part of Rafers game which you are missing is his ball handling and passing. I do agree with you on his shooting, no he's not as good as he could be, no he's not as good as he should be with as many open looks as he gets but with the other stuff he brings to the table that is easily excused in my eyes. Still in his defense he's not a bad shooter, he's hitting 36/37% from deep which is respectable. They're not disrespecting him as much as they are making a choice...when TMac penetrates are you going to leave Shane in the corner, Juwon on the baseline, or the C two ft from the basket...no you're going to leave the guy farthest from the hoop which is Rafer spotted up at the top and wings. Doesn't hurt that he's being guarded by the PG who is the quickest on the floor to help out on D.

    I don't know if you've watched Mo Williams or Chucky Atkins play, they're not near the complete player that Rafer is, I'm not saying the man does no wrong because he does. But shooting is not what determines a players ability in the league, ECSPECIALLY when he's not the number one option. These players are called role players for a reason, they play a role on the team, Rafers primary role on the Rockets is to get the ball up the court and get it to our scorers. And in this facet of the game he is SUPERB, please counter that. He is a top 5 handler/distributor in the league. I mean I thought we'd learn the value of role players with Shane. Rudy Gay is more skilled offensively, easily. Not to say Shane is a slouch but Gay can stroke from deep, take people off the dribble and pull up for his own shot, but is that really what the rockets needed...of course not. They needed Shane to do all the things that everybody else on the court wasn't good at. Rafer is a ROLE player who, IMO, happens to handle his role very well.
     
  20. WhoMikeJames

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    Huge game from Rafer today.

    6-11, 5-9 3pt

    Hes improving his shot a lot.
     

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