I hate when people say stuff they dont know like they know lol Put "I think " before that. Plenty of people put Houston on their want to go place and that reason is sengun. if giannis asks to come to Houston its because of sengun.
No way I trade under 23 year old Sengun for near 31 year old Giannis. That would be one of the stupidest trades ever. If Giannis was closer to Alpi's age sure.
No need to take off the 25 pick. If they took Jalen and 3 frp’s you take it immediately. Give them Fred, Jalen and 4 frp’s you do it. You’re not getting a perennial mvp candidate for Jalen Green and 1 pick. The guy is 30 not 38.
There's 0 chance the Bucks consider any of the offers above. FVV/Green and a few picks? Seriously? The Ringer's offer actually seems lower than what I expect the starting price to be (5ish picks). But I wouldn't give up more than what they posted. He may be 30 but he's averaged 30/12/6 over the past 7 seasons, with elite defensive impact. There aren't too many players in NBA history who've had that level of production over that amount of time. He probably has a few more years at that level, and then should still be elite for several more.
I’m scared we’ll trade 3 years of rebuilding and our future for 2-3 years of “contention” and will be the next team to f*ck themselves trading for a big name for only a couple 2nd round exits and maybe a WCF
Don’t forget to include your first newborn, your second newborn, your third newborn and your wife. Fred VanVleet(TO) | Aaron Holiday(TO) | Reed Sheppard Nate Williams Jr. Dillon Brooks | Tari Eason Jerami Grant | Jabari Smith Jr. | David Roddy Giannis Antetokounmpo https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/63...s-antetokounmpo-trade-rumors-proposals-bucks/ Giannis to San Antonio Bucks get: Zion Williamson, Keldon Johnson, 2025 first-round pick (Spurs, via Hawks), 2027 first-round pick swap rights (Pelicans), 2029 first-round pick (Spurs) Pelicans get: Devin Vassell, Jeremy Sochan, Pat Connaughton, 2027 first-round pick (Spurs, via Hawks) Spurs get: Giannis Antetokounmpo The Spurs’ starting lineup next October would be De’Aaron Fox, Stephon Castle, Harrison Barnes, Antetokounmpo and Victor Wembanyama. I’m guessing Chris Paul would re-up for one or two more seasons as Fox’s backup. They would have other players on their roster, too. — David Aldridge Nehm’s mock GM reaction: This is nowhere near enough for Antetokounmpo. Williamson, while incredibly talented, is nothing more than a lottery ticket. In six seasons, he has played 214 of a possible 472 games and appeared in only 30 games last season. Any package for Antetokounmpo will need to be rich in both players and picks, and this offer is not rich enough in either. Also, if the Bucks are going to be a part of any trade with the Pelicans, they need to get the full rights back to their 2026 and 2027 first-rounders. Giannis to Philly Bucks get: Paul George, Jared McCain, 2025 first, 2028 first (via LA Clippers), 2029 pick swap (via LA Clippers), 2030 first Sixers get: Giannis Antetokounmpo Nehm’s mock GM reaction: This is insulting. The Bucks will be taking positive assets only in any trade conversation, and the age 35-37 seasons of George for $162 million doesn’t make any sense to acquire. A pick in the top six of this draft is nice, and McCain is a good young player, but there just is nowhere near enough in this trade for the Bucks. Giannis to Toronto Bucks get: Scottie Barnes, RJ Barrett, Gradey Dick, 2027 first, 2029 first, 2031 first (all top-one protected), 2028 pick swap (it’s very complicated), 2030 pick swap (Milwaukee gets second choice of Bucks, Trail Blazers and Raptors) Raptors get: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Kyle Kuzma Nehm’s mock GM reaction: There will be no protections on any picks sent in a trade for Antetokounmpo. This is one of the best players on the planet in the middle of his prime under contract for the next two (or three) seasons. The New York Knicks gave up four unprotected first-round picks, a top-four protected first-round pick and an unprotected first-round pick swap for Mikal Bridges, who has never made an All-Star Game or All-NBA team. Even if I concede that was an overpay, I regret to inform other general managers that they will also be overpaying for Antetokounmpo. The number of picks and swaps should probably start around eight. Barnes, Barrett and Dick are all strong young players, so I can understand the picks being a little bit on the lighter side. From a player perspective, this is getting closer, considering Barnes has made an All-Star Game, but it’s tough to figure out how you build a team around him. The Raptors have tried and looked a bit disjointed. Giannis to Houston Bucks get: Amen Thompson, Jalen Green, Cam Whitmore, Donovan Clingan, 2025 first (via Phoenix), 2027 first (via Phoenix), 2029 first (most favorable of Milwaukee, Portland or Washington), 2028 and 2030 Milwaukee swap rights extinguished Rockets get: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Jerami Grant Trail Blazers get: Alperen Şengün, Jock Landale Why it would (and wouldn’t) work: I’m not moving Antetokounmpo unless he asks out. I would expect the Bucks to look at every avenue for success with him over the next couple of months before it gets here. To me, Houston is the team that makes the most sense to end up with Antetokounmpo if the Bucks have to move him. The Rockets have the most assets in the league in terms of young, controllable talent outside of the Thunder, and they desperately need a No. 1 option. This deal allows them to acquire Antetokounmpo for the players that, frankly, don’t make a lot of sense on their roster when it comes to playing next to Antetokounmpo in Thompson and Şengün, the two players who also happen to have the highest trade value on the team. They also maintain enough control over their future drafts to be able to continue to build. The Bucks should have two goals in any Antetokounmpo deal: Acquire as much young, cost-controlled talent as possible and get as many of their picks back as possible. Here, in addition to the young players, they get a top-10 pick in the 2025 draft from Phoenix, another high-value Phoenix first-round pick in 2027 and then get control over all of their picks back from Portland from 2028 through 2030. The Blazers’ part in this is because they have control over Milwaukee’s first-round picks in 2028, 2029 and 2030. The 2028 and 2030 Milwaukee selections are owned via swap rights, so those are not necessarily full first-round picks, but rather they’re here as an opportunity for Milwaukee to get control over its destiny back from 2028 onward. Essentially, the Blazers get an All-Star center in Şengün for Clingan, a first-round pick in 2029 and extinguishing those swap rights with 2028 and 2030. They’re not losing picks in 2028 and 2030; they just won’t be able to swap with Milwaukee. They also get the value-add of getting off the massive Grant deal, which is one of the league’s worst contracts. — Sam Vecenie Nehm’s mock GM reaction: I still need some more in this package, but this is getting pretty close. Sam was right to get the Bucks back in control of their picks from the Blazers between 2028-30. I think that is one of the most valuable things the Bucks can acquire in any Antetokounmpo trade because getting rid of one of the best players on the planet while not controlling your picks is bad business. Any trade offer from the Rockets will require Thompson. In the packages I’ve received, there is an argument to be made that Thompson is the best asset because of his insane defensive ability, super athleticism, age and contract. But I’d be curious to see if I could also acquire Tari Eason or Jabari Smith Jr. Green is the problem in this deal. He is only 23 years old, and there still may be upside there, but his contract extension kicks in next season, and it’s unclear if he will be worth that raise. After scoring 21 points per game in the regular season, he’s put up just 14.8 points per game in the first five games of the Rockets’ series against the Golden State Warriors, and that is buoyed by a 38-point performance in Game 2. That contract extension makes the deal work financially, but I’m just not sure a player that volatile can make up such a large portion of a deal for Antetokounmpo. The Bucks need more sure things.
This hurts my heart just reading what we would we to give up. Trading for Giannis probably the worst thing we could do Bring me KD for peanuts
My opinion would be that everyone is on the table except for Amen and Sengun. Bucks can take their pick, as long as the Rockets will have a starter-level NBA player at each position. I don't want to trade for Giannis and have some scrub replacing Jabari for example. After that, all picks would be available too. I imagine it will be 5 picks minimum. We'll need a third team to get involved to make the salaries work most likely. If the Bucks won't accept any trade that doesn't include Amen and Sengun you hang up the phone because the only other offer that could beat our top offer without Amen and Sengun would be something like OKC including Jalen Williams and picks. Those Phoenix picks are gold, and will still have tremendous value this off-season. You can sell high on the potential of those picks. Hurts my heart to trade our home-grown talent but it's not every day that a superstar like Giannis becomes available.
Nehm’s being ridiculous. If Giannis wants out the Bucks don’t have anywhere near the leverage to meet this idiot’s price. A couple of the packages would be laughed at, especially the first one, but most of the others would be laughed at for the opposite reason. The second apron has changed everything. The Bucks have no way of seriously competing unless Dame gives them a break and retires (fat chance). I can’t imagine Giannis will stand still for another year without any hope of a ring. Sengun and 5 picks gets it done with salary filler.
