I don't think so either. Rose didn't hate successful and educated black kids...Chris Webber was his childhood friend and Chris came from a unitary family and went to a prestigious high school. Subsequently, Chris was recruited by Duke. Rose resented that Duke would never consider a guy like him, who was also an honor student at his high school. Out of immaturity, he also resented any black kid that would go to a school that stood for those values; he thought they were sellouts. Since then, he's stated that he understands why Duke does what they do and that black kids who go there are NOT sellouts. He doesn't think Grant Hill is a b**** anymore, despite what people with their preconceived notions want to think...Although, I wouldn't blame him if he thinks Hill is a b**** now. People can drool over the essay as much as they want--I'm not impressed. Remember in elementary school when you'd get a poor grade on an essay because it was "off topic"? To, me this essay was very eloquently written, but off topic, so it gets an F.
As PGabriel and Waka said the notion that black people from inner cities hate other black people that are educated is probably one of the most overplayed cards in a race debate. If you go to an urban area and talk to someone that is struggling they don't hate educated black people. If they see a guy is doing well in education most will give an advice telling them to keep it up and don't get on the wrong path because there is nothing good out there in the streets. Most inner city neighborhoods don't have the mentality that if you're a smart black kid you must be some type of uncle tom.
I seriously doubt Jalen Rose still feels this way towards Hill. He's spoke very highly of him since being an analyst on espn (except, of course, during this documentary). I think it's more likely he's incapable of properly conveying his thoughts of the past and present, concurrently and coherently. In regards to Duke, there is a difference in the type of player they recruit. They typically recruit very intelligent high character guys. It does seem like that excludes many ball players from the inner city. It may not be intentional but that's the truth. If you have high academic standards and high character standards many inner city kids won't meet the standards. Let's be honest, crime rates and test scores in poor neighborhoods aren't favorable. A Jalen Rose would likely have to work much harder than a Grant Hill to get into Duke. And, this coming from a guy who's much more like Hill than Rose (and Hill is one of my favorite players of all time) but I've been on both sides so I feel I have a bit of a better understanding of the argument.
You are absolutely right. From experience that has happened to me. I grew up in northeast Houston and went to a now closed Smiley High School in North Forest ISD. I graduated from there and then went on to graduate from Rice University. And I remember all of my friend in HS telling me to keep it up and wanting me to stay out trouble an making sure I did. I dont think black people hate on "affluent" blacks. I commend both Rose and Hill. I think the main topic that Rose is getting at is how certain schools target a certain type of black student. We're taking this into direction that it shouldn't. We're also speaking on an immature kid who said those things. On 1st and Ten he and King were just speaking of how schools do want a certain type of kid. Its the "Uncle Tom" thing that was out of line.
haha, i grew up off homestead, was zoned to forest brook but went to private school in hs. I had plenty of friends in this neighborhood who neither resented me for going there or from being from a family that could afford it.
I think this is what everyone was mad about. It literally means a black person who would betray their own kind to stay in good standing with the white man. On first and 10, I didnt think Rose was very good at backing away from what he said. Unless I missed it, all he said thats what he thought then, but he never said he doesnt think its now. He just said he understood what Duke was about. He never retracted the Unlce Tom slur.
This was my impression, too. Rose was having difficulty explaining his past beliefs "concurrently" with his present beliefs, because he wanted his past to still mean something.
Give me a break! Jalen Rose is an analyst who's on TV every day on ESPN. He's not some dumb jock who needs helps saying what he really means. Just listen to him. My goodness, this is laughable.
Come on. Would you read the explanations here....from those who experience both sides, pgabriel, shaud, pmac, tony, waka (I assume) Basically I think Rose was stuck. He knows exactly what he wants to say (ie, what posters here are saying); that is, this inner city black vs affluent black card is one of the most overplayed cards there is....the "Uncle Tom" comment is being blown out of proportion and out of context, and has little to do with the documentary. Now, what would have happened if he made that point on national TV. I don't think he wanted to go there, so that is why he sounded like he couldn't fully explain himself while wanted to still give meaning to his past words as a teenager. get it?
I haven't seen the documentary, and I most likely won't. I don't know how it was presented, and personally, I find the notion of an apology via Twitter to be disingenuous, so I'm just going by what I've read here and in Grant Hill's response. But moving on: Jealousy does strange things to your brain. It elicits twisted feelings of hatred in a misguided effort to diminish that of which you are jealous. Hateful things are said and experienced, but the most devious aspect of jealousy is convincing you to believe in it. Personally, I commend Jalen Rose for not only having the ability to look within himself and examine his being, his past, his experiences, and his feelings, and how all of this shaped who he has (apparently) become today, but what I really admire his ability to be honest about who he once was. That takes a remarkable amount of courage. I also commend Grant Hill and his admirable response which, as dictated by society's love of train wrecks and confrontations, was certainly warranted and classily accomplished. The masses could certainly learn a thing or two here. From both of them.
Don't really understand the outrage about what Jalen said. What he said is basically true. Just take a look around at the black NBA players in the league from Duke. Battier, Hill, Duhon, Boozer. Relative to the black kids Jalen grew up with, these guys are obviously much more well behaved and educated. Obviously he made a mistake in using the Uncle Tom term, but I think his meaning is pretty clearly true.
Umm, no offense. But being an analyst on ESPN and being a dumb jock who needs helps expressing himself are not mutually exclusive. :grin: Anyway, I don't think it is that hard for Rose to clear it up IF he really has changed his view about this. I think he either still has reservation retracting the comment of youth or is too unintelligent to be able to express his view clearly, or both.
Let's play a game. Anyone who thinks Rose isn't clearing this up, tell us what you would say if you were Rose.
Quite frankly I don't give a flying f*** about Jalen or if you agree with me. Don't tell me that this type of thought process does not exist in the "black" american community. I know it does, I've seen it first hand...from my own family members. Stay in your lane.
