He was dealt a rotten hand......many ppl were dealt much worse and still made it. None of this excuses this comment in my opinion. It is unacceptable at his age.
Rose: As a kid from that upbringing, it is understandable why I felt that way back then. Now I have come to realize how wrong it was. It's wrong not just because calling them "Uncle Toms" is uncalled for. It's wrong not only because this poor blacks-rich blacks card has been played too much. It's wrong not only because the Duke players aren't really that. It's wrong most importantly because that kind of mentality for inner city kids is destructive in general. I have been lucky to have the athletic talent to come out of that. But I don't want other less fortunate kids to have this victim mentality growing up. I want them to work as hard as they can for a good education.
Easy, thanks for playing. He did say that. I don't think you get the meaning of this: by Shaud, "As PGabriel and Waka said the notion that black people from inner cities hate other black people that are educated is probably one of the most overplayed cards in a race debate." agreed by several others in this read. Didn't he say this? What mentality? Nothing was destructive to Rose. He used it as motivation. He was an "A" student. In fact, several people in this thread are actually saying "that kind of mentality" of poor blacks hating affluent blacks doesn't exist...to the level that is portrayed....anymore than Lynus302's dangers of "jealousy," across all people, do. I don't think Rose was considering saying this. But yeah, I can see why it makes affluent white kids like me feel good that he would say it. Again, I don't think Rose (even as a kid) thought that way...that he was a victim. He actually seems like a very cocky, confident kid growing up. Someone who would never view himself as a victim. That's why when pmac says, "I think it's more likely he's incapable of properly conveying his thoughts of the past and present, concurrently and coherently." I tend to agree. To me, it looked like Rose was struggling ON NATIONAL TV with saying he was wrong as a kid without being disingenuous to himself and his past...to avoid being two-faced to his beliefs and friends. Isn't it enough to say you were wrong to think something as a kid, than to have to say why the evolution of the whole thought process was wrong too, especially when it seems Rose doesn't even share that 'victims mentality' thought process? And further explain why kids insult each other? bottomline: This game of telling us what Rose should say is tricky, because we tend to want him to say what we want to hear; rather than listening to him, and trying to figure out why he didn't say what we want him to.
You mad? ^^This is what you assumed about Jalen’s stance on college, I corrected you on that point, and then you act defensive and change your tune. I think I will stay in whatever lane I please, and you can switch over to another lane if you don’t “give a flying ****” about Jalen Rose--which happens to be the topic at hand.
From my experience in the Army, it was the white kids who "looked down upon" me for college than the black kids. And you couldn't hide from it, because they asked you why you have stripes coming into the company. "sell-out" is not the mentality coming from white kids. I felt like it was just insecurity or they were testing me to see how I responded to insults...just as a manly test....like you'd do to a fresh Lieutenant. I still wonder if kids who insult others with "uncle tom" are actually trying to use it to its full historical force. Personally, since there isn't a word that would really upset me, I have faith that there are plenty of blacks kids who wouldn't allow another black kid to upset them with a word, especially affluent ones.
Kids who use the term are ignorant. Same for those who call others "Oreos". I doubt they know much about history.
I get what you are saying and I somewhat agree. But that's the whole point. He said something many people think isn't right (or don't want to hear). If he was misunderstood, he could have just come out and tell us where we got it wrong. To say that he didn't know how to say it is just a lame excuse. He could just say what he believed in now and then. It's not that hard. If he couldn't say it straight out, that means there are things he believed in but didn't want to say it out loud. My dad always told me this: if someone misunderstood what you said, it most likely was your fault, not his.
I didn't really say that. I said he didn't know what to say on National TV! There is a difference. i have a feeling if he said what he wanted, he would be further misunderstood at best, and put his job in jeopardy, at worst. I have a feeling he wants to say, "Y'all don't know what 'Uncle Tom' as an insult means between black teenagers; shut up." haha Look at it this way: I am skeptical of 1st and 10 when the women announcer said Uncle Tom is the worst thing a black could say to a black. Like it is absolutely very hurtful. Like we are shocked. This reminds me when us white people were SHOCKED (shocked I say) to find out that blacks didn't consider n-igger an insult if another black said it. What? They can call each other a n-igger. Huh? Come on...I don't think blacks get insulted by each other with old ass, slave era insults as much as whites think they do. I think more inventive insults are what stop people in their tracks.
I think Jalen Rose is an Uncle Tom for apologizing. And also breaking Mario Elie's wrist on a breakaway dunk one time.
I always think this thought process is bewildering. A young Jalen Rose resents Hill for having opportunities he didn't due to the success of his parents. Now, an older Jalen Rose is even more successful than Hill's parents and his own children are the recipients of the same opportunities (or even greater) than those of Grant Hill. So now, sadly, his children probably have the same thing said about them that he said about Grant Hill. It would almost be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
It's amazing how words can change meaning over 150 years. But Hill's answer was pretty solid for a white guy
Mannnnn, Grant Hill is all mad because Jalen is right. I respect Hill's class, and stupendous reply. But, come on Hill..the Man is right.. he's just keeping his cover
Does any one know when ESPN will replay the documentary? I've tried to look it up online, without luck. If there is a link to see it online that would be cool too. I ran into a dead end there also. Could it be that we have all been manipulated by a brilliant mastermind (Fab 5 Producer Jalen Rose) into caring so deeply about "his" basketball film right in the middle of March Madness? Oh the humanity of it..... Now I just gots to see what all da fuss is bout. zzpot Puff Puff
I got to page 3 of this thread, and read this 10th page. My opinion: -You sign up in a school, working your TAIL off to get enrolled there. -First day on campus, a group of sorority chicks on campus come across hoity-toity and snobbish.. -You might mutter to yourself "These are a bunch of STUCK-UP b****ES!" -If someone asks you your opinion on it later, you might say "These sororities are nothing but a bunch of spoiled daddy's girls PRISSY b****es." True or not, accurate or not, RIGHT or WRONG, you said what he felt about them. Where you really trying to give the girls the benefit of the doubt? Thats how I felt about the Jalen Rose "Uncle Tom" comment. He just expressed his sentiment. And candidness like that is what you WANT in a documentary. Yes the sorority can give you the "Duh, WINNING" retort back at you. You can say Uncle Tom is WAY too strong a sentiment. Using the sorority analogy in the Uncle Tom context, it'd be like calling them **** sucking sluts who probably slept with the dean to get in the school. Thats a little bit stronger more bitter, ignorant statement to make. Unfortunately I think the Uncle Tom sentiment was/is too common where its not seen as being as bad an opinion as it really is.
Thats how I feel, too. Rose said what he felt. Thats what documentaries are for. But he hasnt indicated enough that the opinion ONLY represented the past. It still seems to be a part of his current belief system in a small way. Jalen Rose actually doesn't seem like he'd avoid "Uncle Toms", seems that wouldnt preclude a friendship from happening. Though for instance when you COMFORTABLY call homosexuals "f*gs" in an unflattering way, don't expect them to be open and receptive to you, you'll HAVE to explain your position.
hasn't that been the case since he became an "analyst"? I have to mute it half the type stuart scott or jalen try to conjure up words of wisdom. Its almost as if they think they're playing it safe most of the time even though they are clowned over and over. same to marc jackson, but even as annoying as he maybe he has his moments.
