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Getting Bosh and our defense

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by thametall89, May 14, 2010.

  1. ansfjs73

    ansfjs73 Member

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    yes. we need his size and his outside scoring ability. we also need his defense and blocking ability. he can also close out a game too. and where is the poll?
     
  2. ross84

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    Your right, we do need size and his defense and blocking ability. All that can be acquired from a $10 mil/year player and that player would do a better job at it. But we don't need his scoring. We have enough of that especially with the return of yao.

    Sorry about the poll, i meant to add one but accidentally hit enter after i checked the number of poll choices...
     
  3. plutoblue11

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    ...while possibly not having to give up Brooks, Hill, Budinger, Ariza, Battier, or any draft picks.

    How can we be as good, if we lose two and possibly more quality rotational players? This is for player who is not an outstanding defender or a definitive game-changer in the way coming from a team that is barely averaging 40 wins in the East. Again, I know all of that cannot be placed on one player, but I have to suspect that there are a couple of players out there who could win more games with the team Toronto has had the last 4 years. I even believe Yao only playing 53-70 games could get Toronto a better seed and more wins than Bosh has done with that team. He's numbers are not what Bosh's are right now, but I guarantee you when he is on the floor, he changes the dynamic of the game much more than Bosh does.

    While, if you put Kobe; LeBron; Wade; the good point guards (Paul, Nash, Williams, and others); Nowitzki; Melo; Tim Duncan (now or a younger version); Gasol or Bynum (if both are healthy) and few other players out there in place of Bosh as the team's main player, that team could become a solid 4th to 7th place team, right now. 40, 33, 41, and 47 wins in the last 4 seasons for the Raptors. Even with an average defense, those teams could possibly cause one upset.

    The Raptors are already a pretty good offensive team, that team can already score alot of points without Bosh. In 12 full games without Bosh (09-10 season), the Raptors scoring decreased by .1 ppg. Their defense is not worthy of mentioning, since they do not play any at all. They maybe be able to win with that type of style in the East or even get the 2nd Round of the playoffs.

    Most of all, he does not make them that much better, since he again is not an above average to great low post defender, he is more specifically is a big man with good range and few good post moves. Bosh, more times than not, is not a big difference maker for that team, since they're are one of the essence of run and gun team with alot of good shooters. They could compliment just about any other good to great player in this league, even Yao Ming (who would be ideal for them in certain situations, if they were serious about winning).

    I think anyone could speculate that the Raptors could very much reach those same win totals or more over the next 4 seasons without Bosh, especially if they acquire some real good pieces from other teams for Bosh, draft really well, and bring in solid free agents. That team could reach the playoffs in the East. I honestly do not see how you label someone a "superstar" or a great player, when more times than not most team take a big hit, after losing a superstar.

    But, yet the Raptors could possibly field a more competitive team without Bosh. In one sense, this deal might help Toronto more than it does Houston. Since, they can still be the same quality or better team without locking themselves to kind-of and not kind-of superstar player with a maxed out salary.

    Houston won more games without their superstars in the elite West than the Raptors did with Chris Bosh. While the Raptors really did not get too much worst when they missed an injured Bosh over the last seasons. In a way, the Raptors have a solid chance of becoming a better without him, consistently. That does not speak well, for a player trying to become a main guy on a competitive team. How can you ask for that, when did not even maximize the potential of a team that was not the awful and had playoff aspirations with you on them?

    Yes, he would be an upgrade over Scola starting, but does that put more wins on the board for the Rockets or get them to the conference finals, if Yao is not quite himself, we're still without a solid center or good backup center. While, we would still have the same needs that we did at the end of this season, which is low post defense, an intimidator away from the paint, a dirty work player, and someone who can matchup with larger centers.

    It's not always about the statistics and all star appearance, and even talent. It's sometimes is about the matchup and the system. Bosh wants to be the main guy, even though his playing style and attitude is more worthy of a complimentary player or someone who is simply the leader in points (and nothing more than) and not always a go-to player. I cannot shake what Shaq has said about the guy, as well as what critics have said about him and watching him on TV. He's fine at his current $15 million salary, maybe a little more, but nothing over $18 (not one cents). The thing hate most about this deal is having to give up quality players and draft picks for him, it would be much easier to put him aboard without really giving any substantial rotation players up for him in the process. I do not think you can have him as main guy, unless your team is stacked from the top to bottom, like the Trailblazer teams from most of the 90s, or even the old Celtics teams.
     
  4. abc2007

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    If you watch some raptors' games, you should know that defense is Bosh's weakness.
     
  5. HombreDeHierro

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    Like Steve Nash bad? Are opponents toasting him every time down the floor? IE: AB0 vs Nash


    No one has ever brought up the idea that maybe the RAPTORS are bad at defense. They don't have a philosophy for it.

    This also doesn't mean I'm saying Bosh is a good defender, it simply means that if given the chance, I think Bosh can be a respectable defender in a good, solid defensive system because he has the tools to do so.
     
  6. larsv8

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    And if you actually watched Raptors games instead of repeating what ignorant fans spew out, you would know that Bosh is an excellent pick and roll defender but always has to play post defense at C since Bargnani is atrocious at everything. In our system he would fit in almost perfectly and would actually be an upgrade offensively and defensively over Scola.
     
  7. HombreDeHierro

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    This is what I've been wanting to hear about. Nice to know :)
     

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