Gerald Wallace taken to hospital with collapsed lung

how does past injury history even matter for the foul in question? i said wallace's injury shouldn't matter when they are considering the consequences of bynum's lazy ass dangerous hard foul. do you not even see it as a dangerous play when you lead into someone with your elbow/forearm/body while they are in the air?

 

ya it's dirty. Sticking your elbow out at a player running full speed is always dangerous.

 

A suspension/fine is definitely necessary.

Go for the ball Andrew, not his ribs with your elbows.

 

are you ****ting me? You can't justify throwing an elbow into someones ribs when the dude is flying past u. That's dirty anyway u paint it.

 

1. Collision with the floor is obviously bs. He's in pain immediately, curls up in mid-air, and makes no further attempt to shoot the ball. He's tucked by the time he hits the ground, and has that side of his body protected by his arm. Please desist with this vein of argument which damages your credibility. Stick with the its-just-a-hard-foul argument.

2. The argument that Wallace plays dangerously is likewise bs. Please stop. This was a regular drive to the basket. This injury could have happened to any of 200 players.

3. I still think Bynum initially intended to wrap Wallace up. He approaches Wallace with both hands outstretched, but turns as Wallace closes the distance. I think he misjudged how fast Wallace would get there and jump. So, failing to wrap him up, he tried to bump him off the shot.

3. What should Bynum have done? He could have gone for the block. He could have taken a swipe at the ball. He could have let Wallace go by. He probably could not have safely hit him with his body, since he wasn't fast enough.

4. This one reminds me of Elie's injury when Rose (?) couldn't make the defensive play on the break, so he cut Elie's legs out from under him instead. Rose could make all the same bs arguments that OC is making: Elie put himself in danger by jumping, Rose had to do something to prevent an uncontested basket, that it was Elie's collision with the floor that hurt his wrist and not the collision with Rose, that Rose doesn't have a reputation for undercutting people.

 

Definite flagrant 1. Bynum made no effort to go for the ball and decided to go for the body. He could have moved out of the way when he saw he could not get the block or at least grabbed Wallace instead of sticking his elbow out. Having said that, I don't think Bynum was looking to do real harm he was just frustrated and did something stupid in the moment that nobody could have predicted would have been so severe.

 

There's no "theory," just a bunch of douchebag Laker fans who can't just admit one of their guys did something wrong.

You can try and deny reality all you want, but we've seen it clear as day, he leads with this elbow. That is a fact.

 

Regardless whether or not Bynum had any intention of actually hurting Wallace, it was still a fragnant and I'd be very surprised if the league doesn't hand down a punishment.

 

So some of you are saying that Bynum threw his elbow out to hurt him and send him to the hospital, is that it? Wallace has gotten layups all day and it was about time someone made some hard contact with him, Bynum was indecisive and didn't know whether to wrap him up or not, you can see his left hand extended as well trying to reach for Wallace. Also, right after the collision, Bynum looked concerned and was walking towards him to see if he's ok. So just because you take off, trying to thrown down a highlight reel, the defender should just open the gates? especially late in the game? come on. It was a bang bang type play, it was hard luck for Wallace.

Also earlier in the game Juwan Howard caugh Ariza with a blindsided back screen and Ariza left the game with a concussion, so should Howard be suspended then?

 

It's certainly possible and not out of the question. He didn't stick his elbow out.

 

Move out of the way? are you serious?

 

These shots show the seriousness of Bynum's foul

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Sticking elbow straight out, into the chest of a full speed charging player. Plus foot in front, which could have tripped if elbow did not land.

 

^ SO Bynum is not allowed to protect himself? He turned his body around and stuck his arms out. And trying to step on his foot? come on no way. Thats coincidence.

 

Yep, fines and or suspension should be headed his way. He didn't even go for the ball, what a punk.

 

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that's what it looked like to me. he reach for the ball, whiffed, and then they collided. if you look at the picture famicon posted, it's hard to argue he was really trying to hurt him. it's not like he planted and threw a vicious forearm shiver into wallace. his arms are all the way across his body in basically the least strong position they could be in because he was reaching. in that picture bynum's whole upper body is bent over and facing away from wallace and the arm that threw the elbow got knocked back pretty good. considering the huge weight difference, if bynum was really in a "trying to injure him" position he wouldn't be getting knocked back like that.

i figured OCballfan was just being a huge homer and that i was going to see a video of bynum pancaking wallace to the floor, but i'm inclined to agree that he tried to make a play and his slowness turned it into a hard foul. i mean really, if you stopped that play a split second after the contact and asked anyone what happened to wallace, the worst you'd probably get is he fell down. collapsed lung would be pretty far down the list. it seems it was just more an unfortunate event that the hit happened to cause so much damage. guys are fouled harder than that fairly often with no injury (and not even flagrants if they land right) but this just happened to really suck for wallace. should bynum be suspended? i don't know, maybe. i'm sure he will be and that's fine but it doesn't need to be that long, a game or two.

 

That looks bad for Bynum. Definately worth a suspension IMO.

 

How is that defending himself? Bynum got in the way of the contact in the first place. If he was going to foul him he should've wrapped him up, not stuck an elbow out. It was obvious he was hoping to throw Wallace off balance. It was almost as if he was boxing out a guy that was in mid-air. I don't know if it had the intention to hurt Wallace, but there is no way he was making a play on the ball, nor was he trying to "defend himself."

If that happened to Kobe the league would've fined the living hell out of whoever did that to him. Bynum's intent may not have been malicious, but he was looking to make a play on the person, not the ball.

 

are you serious? thats even more dangerous trying to pull someone down who's going a gazillion miles an hour in the air. Not sure if Dampier got a flagrant for this...
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That was definitely a hard and flagrant foul. Wallace was already airborn before Bynum decided to play dirty and pointed his elbow toward Wallace's chest.

NBA need to penalize this fool and use it as a warning against any dirty players with intent to injure.

Collapsed lung is very serious and it could lead to a career ending injury.