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Georgia 'under attack' as Russian tanks roll in

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ChrisBosh, Aug 8, 2008.

  1. ROCKETS1972

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  2. Why So Serious?

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    Countries do that all the time, not saying its right but is a given fact that any country will eliminate their rivals military and civil infrastructure if given the chance.

    Bush never gotten the support of the UN when they went into Iraq either.

    You don't underestimate your opponent either, especially when they are on par in terms of military power.
    This isn't the coldwar era, the Russians have a much more stable economy then they did to support their expansion. They would call the bluff right away and the US would be left without any cards to play.

    Its a different era now, the US is not the world power it used to be. US's powers have been diminishing since Kosovo, and its relations and support from its Allied nations have never been weaker. Look at Iraq, the US has been pleading with NATO and other countries for more troops, and the response has been the exact opposite.

    The US simply does not have any chips to bargain with and Russia know that. The US lost over 4,000 souls to the links of homemade bombs and 10 year old weapons, how lives do you think it would cost to go to war with a World Superpower? Who actually has the capability of hitting you on your home soil?
     
  3. Deckard

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    You want to be "civilized?" Then consider talking like an adult and not making pointless slams at people you know nothing about.


    "Recycled partisan bickering?" That's what you call placing a large chunk of the blame for this crisis where it belongs, on the person of the man who weakened this country so much that Iran and Russia, among others, feel like they can thumb their noses at the United States and not be seriously concerned about the consequences? The man who's astonishingly failed foreign policy contributed mightily to the actions of Russia this week and to Iran's continued race to develop atomic weapons? Calling George W. Bush out for that is "recycled partisan bickering?" You aren't shy about trotting out your own tired "soft cuddly hippies" line, which is double-speak for liberals and progressives. That is certainly partisan from where I sit, or simply ignorance. If you prefer it to be seen as ignorance, fine.


    A curious line from you considering your own oblique attack on liberals and progressives, who would be the "soft cuddly hippies" you brought up. You want to talk substance? Fine. Then leave out the bull****, OK?



    Impeach Bush/Cheney.
     
  4. IROC it

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    While I don't agree with the "Impeach Bush" line... your last two posts were awesome, Deckard.


    You replicant, you.
     
  5. Deckard

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    Then I better go to bed! I won't be able to top that tonight. :)

    Hey, I won't have to take out contact lenses, either. I had cataract surgery last year and my doctor was incredible. I can see 20/20. It's so weird waking up in the morning and being able to see everything. I still haven't become used to it. Truly amazing! (this is in regards to a Hangout thread, folks, in case you missed it)



    Impeach Joe!
     
  6. SamFisher

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    If the Russian armored column keeps heading towards the capital as is being reported, the US should bomb them if they refuse to turn around.
     
  7. AleksandarN

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    Russia is doing what Nato and U.S. did in Kosovo. Yes I know Milosevic was a bad guy but it was not the main reason for the intervention that was just an exuse. The main reason was power in the Balkan. This world is only get worse with each superpower trying to get a hold of value resources. We are heading for another World War I am afraid. Anyways here is some info of the main reason of Kosovo intervention and push for indepence. It looks like everything is coming to a head. What happened in 1999 was stepping stones to what is happening now with George. If anyone is to blame for the current situation it is Nato actions in Kosovo.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7941

     
  8. AleksandarN

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    Russia saw what U.S. did in Kosovo and are trying to do the same thing in Georgia
     
  9. SamFisher

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    LOL-what? Nobody cared about power in the Balkans - there's nothing important there, just bunch of overrated basketball players who aren't good enough for the NBA.

    This is a nice bit of myth that Russian nationalists are inventing for themselves but really it doesn't hold water. The two are not comparable.
     
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    :confused: What? So you are saying there is no pipeline and no base in Kosovo and that it is all a myth?????
     
  11. SamFisher

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    I'm saying that Kosovo's base has little to no strategic value and was basically a drain on resources even before 2001. This isn't 1914.
     
  12. AleksandarN

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    Here is an old article(almost 10 years old) which ties the Balkans and what is happening in Georgia.

    http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/lfoerstl.htm

     
  13. AleksandarN

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    think again this all ties in with the control of the oil-rich area around the Caspian Sea. You are blind if you think it is not
     
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    ^It's been a decade since that article was written and US participation in the region has since decreased. the only reason why a small contingent (7000 people) is maintained in Kosovo is to continue to get NATO cooperation in Afghanistan, which has been begrudging at best.

    In case you haven't noticed, US foreign policy has been occupied in other matters for the last 8 years.....:rolleyes:
     
  15. AleksandarN

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    WOW I do not think I can through to you can I. The most important part is having access to the oil in the Caspian Sea. Can you not see that?? Kosovo is an important part of that pipeline since it is last link in the chain. This has been well thought out plan.
     
  16. SamFisher

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    so when do we send in the marines and take over the entire region - I for one am looking forward to a Caspian sea holiday.
     
  17. AleksandarN

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    US foreign policy has been occupied with getting access to oil. The last 8 years have proved that.
     
  18. AleksandarN

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    how old are you? :rolleyes:
     
  19. SamFisher

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    And Russian foreign policy is built on paranoid ramblings about western encirclement- the last 80 years have proved that, Mr. Nevsky.
     
  20. AleksandarN

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    No the Russians , Chinese and Europe are doing the same thing. That is why I said earlier that we headed to another World War. All of the superpowers are after oil and there is only so much to go around. Makes me thankful that I am living in Canada. We have way too much resources that we do not know what to do with them.
     

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