Let's see: John Edwards's mistress is revealed and is a few months pregnant. McCain is leading in some polls, yet has unintentionally triggered a small rival with Paris Hilton. We might be on the brink of war with Iran. We might get involved in another conflict pending on what happens between Russia/S.Ossetia vs. Georgia (US allied) who has comitted genocide. Man, what a wet dream for Fox News.
Things just got a lot worse..... Russia, Georgia move to full-scale war MUSA SADULAYEV Associated Press August 9, 2008 at 11:30 PM EDT OUTSIDE TSKHINVALI, Georgia — Russia and small, U.S.-allied Georgia headed toward a wider war Saturday as Russian tanks rumbled into the contested province of South Ossetia and Russian aircraft bombed a Georgian town, escalating a conflict that already has left hundreds dead. Georgia's Foreign Ministry said the country was “in a state of war” and accused Russia of beginning a “massive military aggression.” The Georgian parliament approved a state of martial law, mobilizing reservists and ordering government authorities to work round-the-clock. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said that Moscow sent troops into South Ossetia to force Georgia into a ceasefire and prevent Georgia from retaking control of its breakaway region after it launched a major offensive there overnight Friday. In a meeting with refugees, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin characterized Georgia's actions as “complete genocide,” according to his office's website. Mr. Putin also said Georgia had effectively lost the right to rule the breakaway province – an indication Moscow could be preparing to fulfill South Ossetians' wish to be absorbed into Russia. The risk of the conflict setting off a wider war also increased Saturday when Russian-supported separatists in another breakaway region, Abkhazia, also targeted Georgian troops by launching air and artillery strikes to drive them out. U.S. President George Bush called for an end to the Russian bombings and an immediate halt to the violence. “The attacks are occurring in regions of Georgia far from the zone of conflict in South Ossetia. They mark a dangerous escalation in the crisis,” Mr. Bush said in a statement to reporters while attending the Olympic Games in Beijing. Georgia President Mikhail Saakashvili called it an “unprovoked brutal Russian invasion.” “This is about annihilation of a democracy on their borders,” Mr. Saakashvili told the British Broadcasting Corp. “We on our own cannot fight with Russia. We want immediate ceasefire, immediate cessation of hostilities, separation of Russia and Georgia and international mediation.” At a meeting of the UN Security Council Saturday, the third in three days on the issue, Russia refused to agree to a ceasefire or a diplomatic agreement. The move ensured that the fighting with Georgia would keep spilling into other regions such as Abkhazia's Kodori Ridge, where 15 UN military observers were told to evacuate. “A ceasefire would not be a solution. The fighting is still going on. The Georgian forces are continuing to be on the South Ossetian territory,” Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said. Georgia, a U.S. ally whose troops have been trained by American soldiers, launched the major offensive overnight Friday. Heavy rocket and artillery fire pounded the provincial capital, Tskhinvali. A South Ossetain government statement said firing died down in the capital early Sunday and that 12 Georgian tanks were destroyed on the city's outskirts. It was the worst outbreak of hostilities since South Ossetia won de facto independence in a war against Georgia that ended in 1992. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told reporters Saturday in Moscow that some 1,500 people had been killed in South Ossetia since Friday, with the death toll rising. The figures could not be independently confirmed. But Tskhinvali residents who survived the bombardment by hiding in basements and later fled the city estimated that hundreds of civilians had died. They said bodies were lying everywhere. Georgia, a country about the size of South Carolina that borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia, was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the breakup of the Soviet Union. Today, Russia has approximately 30 times more people than Georgia and 240 times the area. Both South Ossetia and Abkhazia have run their own affairs without international recognition since splitting from Georgia in the early 1990s and have built up ties with Moscow. Russia has granted its passports to most of their residents. Mr. Putin arrived late Saturday in the Russian city of Vladikavkaz to talk to South Ossetian refugees who have fled the fighting. He said there were at least 34,000 refugees. “The actions of the Georgian powers in South Ossetia are, of course, a crime – first of all against their own people,” Mr. Putin said. “The territorial integrity of Georgia has suffered a fatal blow.” Other signs that Russia could be aiming to take in South Ossetia came from a pre-dawn meeting of Mr. Putin and Mr. Medvedev on Sunday outside Moscow. Mr. Putin said the government was ready to earmark up to $425-million for aid to the region, Russian news agencies said. Mr. Medvedev said he was ordering the military prosecutor to document crimes against civilians in South Ossetia. Russia also laid much of the responsibility for ending the fighting on Washington, which has trained Georgian troops. Washington, in turned, blamed Russia. “We have urged an immediate halt to the violence and a stand-down by all troops. We call for an end to the Russian bombings, and a return by the parties to the status quo,” Mr. Bush said in the statement. White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said Mr. Bush had spoken with both Mr. Medvedev and Mr. Saakashvili. But it was unclear what might persuade either side to stop shooting – both claim the other violated a ceasefire declared Thursday. Alexander Lomaia, secretary of Georgia's Security Council, estimated that Russia sent 2,500 troops into Georgia. The Russian military would not comment on the number of troops. By late Saturday, Russian military commanders claimed they had driven Georgian forces out of Tskhinvali, a claim that Mr. Saakashvili denied. Russia's ambassador to NATO Dmitry Rogozin said “98 per cent of Tskhinvali” was in ruins. “Our troops have re-established control over the city,” he said. Smoke rose from the city, and intermittent artillery shelling and sporadic gunfire could still be heard. Georgian forces knocked out about 40 Russian tanks around Tskhinvali, said Georgia's Deputy Interior Minister Eka Sguladze. “Our units are well-equipped with anti-tank rockets, and they thwarted a Russian tank attack,” she told reporters. Georgia, meanwhile, accused Russia of bombing its air bases and the town of Gori, just outside South Ossetia. An Associated Press reporter who visited Gori shortly after the Russian air strikes Saturday saw several apartment buildings in ruins, some still on fire, and scores of dead bodies and bloodied civilians. The elderly, women and children were among the victims. The Russian warplanes appeared to have been targeting a military base in Gori's outskirts that also was bombed. The Interior Ministry said Russian warplanes also bombed the Vaziani military base on the outskirts of the Georgian capital of Tbilisi and struck near the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline. The ministry said two other military bases were hit, and that Russian warplanes also bombed the Black Sea port city of Poti, which has a sizable oil shipment facility. Georgia said it has shot down 10 Russian planes, including four brought down Saturday, according to Mr. Lomaia. It also claimed to have captured two Russian pilots, who were shown on Georgian television. Russian Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of the General Staff, confirmed Saturday that two Russian planes had been shot down, but did not say where or when. Mr. Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, said Georgia brought the air strikes upon itself by bombing civilians and Russian peacekeepers. He warned that the small Caucasus country should expect more attacks. “Whatever side is used to bomb civilians and the positions of peacekeepers, this side is not safe and they should know this,” Mr. Lavrov said. Russian military commanders said 15 peacekeepers have been killed and about 150 wounded in South Ossetia, accusing Georgian troops of killing and wounding Russian peacekeepers when they seized Russian checkpoints. The allegations couldn't be independently confirmed. In Abkhazia, the separatist government said it intended to push Georgian forces out of the Kodori Gorge. The northern part of the gorge is the only area of Abkhazia that has remained under Georgian government control. Mr. Lomaia confirmed that Georgian administrative buildings in the Kodori Gorge were bombed, but he blamed the attack on Russia.
forgot the link... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080809.wossetia-new0809/BNStory/Front/home
What do the "Protocols of the Elder Zion" and "The Turner Diaries" have to do with what has been said about this latest situation? If you can't "waste your time" to refute the article, don't waste our time with your other garbage.
Both of the books mentioned, as well as all of the crap that spews from all Alex Jones' fountains of psychosis are paranoid delusional fantasies. Is that clear enough or are you still having trouble understanding? No. Why don't you disappear again until you can come up with something rational and legitimate to talk about, as opposed to defending paranoid bullsh!t psychotic ramblings and conspiracy theories. If you post an article from the Weekly World News entitled "Bat People From Venus Behind Georgian Conflict", I will give you the same out of hand dismissal. It will be equally justified.
Ottomaton, the thing about the Protocols of the Elders Zion have been proven hoax by the mainsteam researchers and media as propagnda.....but ..... "but"....some of things that have been outlined in have come to like Jewish....no I should call it a Zionist state. Zionist and masonry people are some most powerful people in the world, and they have their hands in alot of wars. OF the 24 original protocols, I think 90% of them have come to past. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elders_of_Zion/ The most apparent protocols are.... 1, 7, 10 (false flags - Lavon Affair, USS Liberty, and etc.), 20 (Brainwashing, definitely working), and 22 (underming economic systems by foreign loans, expanding national debt and bankruptcy).
typo - line 2 have been outlined in have come true, like the creation of a Jewish....no I should call it a Zionist state.
I can honestly say the last direction from which I expected a response was a defense of The Protocols of The Elders of Zion. I am truly flabbergasted and literally... stunned into being unable to respond.
I know I didn't explain myself very well...but it was originally created as anti-semtic propaganda, which it was. At the same time, it is occuring as we speak. It's flawed literature, you can't really say it is totally right or wrong. Again, I say I support that is accurate in some regards, in others in it is a bit far reaching.
So right now you believe that there is a massive conspiracy by 'Zionist Jews' to take over the world, kill Christianity and Islam, and make everybody on the planet Jewish? That the Freemasons are in cahoots with the Jews in their conspiracy? That all of liberal democracy is simply a sham - setup in advance to fail in order to pave the way for the eventual Jewification of the world? That the media is under the control of a central cabal, and all the wars of the past century have been engineered for the greater purpose of Zionism? The book is constructed around a very clear theme. It is about a conspiracy to rule the world. Or are you simply saying that some of the things that were listed as part of this secret plot have happened for random, unrelated reasons? Because as an example, in the Bible Revelations talks about God striking people down with lightening, and people have been struck by lightning since that book was written. But the fact that people have been struck by lightening doesn’t qualify as evidence that the book of Revelations is true or that the events of The Revelation to John are occurring as we speak.
1. There's a big difference between Jews and Zionist. For most part, both groups do not even share the same interests, while good portion of Jews and isrealites are against Zionist and Zionism. Zionists are the people in charge in Israel, not Israeli public who actually is not so favorable of their government as you would think. Just because some things are not visible to us, doesn't mean that are not happening or not true. 2. I didn't say it was totally true, but I did say some of things outlined in it have already manifested themselves in our society. Like, I originally said, some of portions of it have some merit to it, while other are bit far fetched. The World Domination part and destruction of certain religions can't be proved, yet or might just be irrational fear. But, you have to admit that elites of the world are in a game of power and wealth...and do seek more power and wealth. Nothing hard to understand about that. More power and wealth equals more opportunity, resources, money, and etc. 3. The liberal Democracy aspect, very hard to explain this one. First, I don't really believe too many nations exist on this planet that are true democracy. Almost just a handful. Most democractic governments in principle are federal republics, as liberal democracy. So in essence, the people don't have as much power as you think they would. It only exists in principle, not actuality and certainly not fully exercised. Since, the government has the authority and power in any country to act on their interest and benefits. Back to point of rights, we technically don't have universal rights, but we are promised and guranteed them. Although, western countries have more freedom than others...they all are still ruled by statism and a strong federal government that is allowed to act in its own will. Tell me this who in this country can stop the government from going to war? In fact, I will say that most societies' forms of government change at some point in time, Is the media under the control of a central cabal? I can't answer that because again I don't know. I do know that mainstream media is only in the hands of few, controlled by conglomerates and more elites. As people complain about the media being too liberal or too conservative, I can say that they are either neither or a bit of both. As far as the way and how news is reported, do you really see a big difference between ABC, NBC, and CBS. I could say Fox is little to right, but even Rupert Murdoch said himself that it is intentionally that way for ratings. You rarely see one go too far to far to the left or too far to right, while you will never see NBC do a negative piece on GE or ABC on Disney. And there are certain companies that you will never see negative piece on in the mainstream media, simply because of code of ethics (among themselves) and advertising - commerical dollars and business deals. http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=ge/ Also, I have to say the big media machines do you meet with each other from time to time to discuss matters ranging from everyting, international politics, US social issues, domestic economic policies, and etc. They meet in such mediums, like Council of Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission. Again, I am not saying that they are intending to control the world as some sort of conspiracy. I'm saying these big companies and organizations are not running around on their own and reporting controversial information that pops up randomly on the Internet. These bodies of organizations do meet from season to season, and talk about certain problems and conditions of our society. They are not always blindlessly reporting the news that are other factors involved. Within the industries, they know not talk about stories, like Iraqforsale or even favoring some candidates others ones. I am simply saying not everything you see is done by accident, sometimes there is intent behind certain things that happen.
Maybe you should check your dictionary. Zionist = believes in a Jewish state. By definition, almost everybody who is a citizen of Israel is a Zionist. Normally, in normal conversation, Zionist is the word that Muslims and Arabs use to mean Jews when they don't want to be accused of anti-Semitism. As for the rest of that vague conspiracy crap, when you make a legitimate accusation we can discuss it. Until then your nebulous innuendo is empty paranoia. Actually, in that respect it is very Alex Jones-esque.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist#Types_of_Zionism' Zionism is more complex term than you think and it involves many factors. It does involve support by Jewish people, but I could be zionist and not be jewish. It is not necessarily, stictly interdependent of one another. I am saying Zionism in the form of elitist (and even somewhat fascist) and revisionist aspect. I can tell you didn't read, because I never said that there was a conspiracy going on. I was just saying things aren't always as they seem. If you read my post, I bet you can point to one thing that is totally far fetched in my post. Because, everything I allude to I referenced it to what is going on in the world, while I stated several time in doesn't warrant a possible conspiracy...because I couldn't prove it. I never mentioned any of Alex Jones's conspiracy. But I will say, some conspiracy are actually true, Tuskegee Sysphilis Experiments and Project MK Ultra. I guess those weren't real. I never said all conspiracy were real, but some of them have actually happended. And things, like the Lavon Affair or USS Liberty (mentioned in a previous post), can prove with videos and documents that the events were used to get United States in involved in Israel's wars. Israel even finally apologized for USS liberty, like 20 something years later.
I'm not sure how the Zionism thing derailed the thread on Russia and Georgia. This Russian-Georgian war thing is startling. Russia should obviously not invade Georgia. They have about as much right to do that as we did to Iraq, which is not much. Georgia as far as I know started this current escalation in South Ossetia, though it looks like Russia was like Bush with 9/11, happy to have a pretext to start something bigger. That being said I think that is needlessly provocative to try to put Georgia in Nato. How does it help us? It is a silly little country and does not strengthen NATO. The only one it seem to benefit is those neo-cons who miss the Cold War and want to profit from some more missile or I guess I should say anti-missile construction. I suppose Putin and Medev sp? could benefit from a war politically like Bush-Cheney did. Can they be stupid enough to try to occupy Georgia?
Georgia's president is an idiot. the **** did he expect? NATO to the rescue? no response because it's the Olympics? Russians just going to let them take over? the dude made thousands of people die just for this political gain. WTF
glynch, Georgia is a crossroads for oil and gas pipelines and has its own oil and gas. Strategically, it is very important. Russia invading the country is outrageous and an act of war. And remember that the region Russia is attempting to annex by force (actually two regions... there is another important region on the coast Russia is busy snapping up from Georgia) is part of Georgia. That Georgia attempted to take it back was a case of a country "taking back" its own territory. Hardly an act of aggression in the classic sense. Russia is the aggressor here. Impeach Bush.
agreed... azerbaijan has oil pipelines that supply europe running through georgia...Russia clearly wants to redirect that pipline to run through its own country...
Deckard, making sense. so's Bobby Jinadal. Perhaps this is a foreshadowing of things to come in the fall? <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/1AHCYEPgHYA&color1=11645361&color2=13619151&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/1AHCYEPgHYA&color1=11645361&color2=13619151&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
