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George Springer: Should he lead off?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by jim1961, May 25, 2017.

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Should he lead off?

Poll closed Jul 24, 2017.

  1. Yes

    39 vote(s)
    60.0%

  2. No

    21 vote(s)
    32.3%

  3. Undecided (sample size too small)

    5 vote(s)
    7.7%
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  1. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

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    Because Springer could wake up.

    Nope
     
    #361 jim1961, Oct 25, 2017
  2. Nick

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    And at that point, you've made your lineup worse by not having one of your better hitters, who's now awake, get more AB's.

    The entire lineup is struggling to get more than 3 hits/game in these road games... they've faced both great pitching along with not getting much from the role players who were previously hitting as well (Reddick, Marwin).
     
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  3. jim1961

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    He could still do damage in the 7 or 8th spot if that were to happen. My main point is, until he changes his plate approach, its not likely to happen.
     
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  4. Nick

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    And your entire analysis screams of the “if it’s not working, it’s a bad move... if a player has a good game, it’s a smart move” type simplistic/anecdotal analysis.

    Using your exact logic of the 7th spot magically fixing him... he could still do damage in the leadoff spot. As soon as tonight.

    The entire lineup has been bad in each/every road game. They’re one Yuli hit away from scoring 1 run or less vs 6 consecutive starting pitchers on the road.
     
    #364 Nick, Oct 25, 2017
  5. jim1961

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    Kudos for trying to make my thinking look like a bowl of spaghetti, but that doesnt make it so.

    I want to move Springer down in order to strengthen the top of the lineup. Putting the guys who can hit together has obvious advantages. Simple or no, that is what makes sense to me.

    Sometimes simplicity is the right answer.
     
    #365 jim1961, Oct 25, 2017
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Isn't it simplest to maintain the lineup that has been successful the vast majority of the season?
     
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  7. jim1961

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    As ive heard numerous times, the playoffs is a different season.
     
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  8. Nick

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    So, you presume Springer won't hit...
     
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    Lets just say id rather he be in a less important part of the BO if he doesnt.
     
    #369 jim1961, Oct 25, 2017
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    so imagine that he hits 7th and goes 4-4, but because he was moved down he missed opportunities to score runs because of who he was hitting in front of. If you are willing to admit that he could wake up at any point, why rob him of the opportunity to do the most damage when bunched up with the better hitters in our lineup?
     
    #370 T for 3, Oct 25, 2017
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    Maybe he just has bad nerves right now being first but like I said, all it takes is one good hit from him and he'll turn around like in the Boston series.
     
    #371 Scarface281, Oct 25, 2017
  12. jim1961

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    Its all about what appears probable. I think its more probable he continues to hack and SO. Your scenario could happen, sure. I just think its less probable.
     
    #372 jim1961, Oct 25, 2017
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    Based on his season prior to this point, it has to be more probable that he is more productive at the plate. He has been one of our most prolific producers all year.
     
    #373 T for 3, Oct 25, 2017
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    He was 7/19 in the ALDS with 3 XBH and 2 walks. That was 15 days ago. Stop acting like Springer has been a broken down mule for the past three months.
     
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    His plate approach has changed since that was the case. Isn't this obvious?
     
    #375 jim1961, Oct 25, 2017
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    no, he has had games throughout the year where he has flailed at some pitches, and he has consistently turned it around. Why act like anything different is going to happen now?
     
    #376 T for 3, Oct 25, 2017
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    Dont tell me what my act is. Look at his plate approach. Does it look like it will succeed? It doesn't matter what he did 3 months ago or even 3 weeks ago. Right now is all that matters. And right now, he is lost. We dont have the luxury to wait days and weeks for him to figure it out.
     
    #377 jim1961, Oct 25, 2017
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    If Springer looks the same at the plate to you now as he did when he was beasting, than you and I shouldn't have any further discussion on the matter.
     
    #378 jim1961, Oct 25, 2017
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    How did you get that out of what I said? If memory serves me correctly, the last time you called for springer to be moved down, he literally started raking in the next game, and didn't stop. So I ask again, why is it different now? why are you so certain this is the time he won't rebound?
     
    #379 T for 3, Oct 25, 2017
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    It's gotten to the point where the title of the thread should actually read: "George Springer--Should he even play offense?"
     
    #380 smitheygerard, Oct 25, 2017
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